Ballot Trafficking

[beej]

I guess I should clarify, I mean R voters, not politicians and media. I know quite a few R's, even some on this forum, that insisted there was not enough fraud to have changed the election and said we should just accept it. When Trump was calling for Pence to not certify the election and force accurate recounts/audits, they were lock step with the dems crying "impeach Trump". As usually, Trump was right about the level of fraud, just like Russia collusion hoax, Ukraine phone call, Hunter Biden and Joe Biden corruption, and many other things.

I'm still skeptical. OAN ran a message yesterday admitting there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election and threw Gateway Pundit under the bus in their statement, that was the result of a court case.
I Frankly, don't trust documentaries until I see a rebuttal, because even if there is truth to what they are saying, it may not be the WHOLE truth. 

I tend to agree with Ben Shapiro on this, in that I believe the election was rigged by terrible, one-sided media coverage and changes to mail-in voting laws.

One question I have. did the documentary actually show a Mule, going to 2 different drop off boxes? I heard that they had cell phone evidence of that but the video surveilence, never actually showed that.

[YoDoug]

I'm still skeptical. OAN ran a message yesterday admitting there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election and threw Gateway Pundit under the bus in their statement, that was the result of a court case.
I Frankly, don't trust documentaries until I see a rebuttal, because even if there is truth to what they are saying, it may not be the WHOLE truth. 

I tend to agree with Ben Shapiro on this, in that I believe the election was rigged by terrible, one-sided media coverage and changes to mail-in voting laws.

One question I have. did the documentary actually show a Mule, going to 2 different drop off boxes? I heard that they had cell phone evidence of that but the video surveilence, never actually showed that.

I have not watched the movie, but according to reports about the movie, they show hundreds of people going multiple drop boxes, many times, depositing multiple handfuls of ballots. However, even if they only went to the same drop box once and deposited multiple ballots it is still a crime. They plan to release all the data so anyone can verify it their calculations.

[gcode]

they show hundreds of 2000 people going multiple drop boxes, many times, depositing multiple handfuls of ballots and returning to drop houses for reloads multiple times

fissed for accuracy

[BrianP.]

I tend to agree with Ben Shapiro on this, in that I believe the election was rigged by terrible, one-sided media coverage and changes to mail-in voting laws.

This is where I have been right along. Prefer the term rigged. Living in a Democrat controlled state I have seen this time and again. It's how we ended up with Elizabeth Warren. It looked like Scott Brown could possibly win. Her daughter who does not even live in this state sued because they said registering to vote was too hard.  Changed the law so when you get a license or sign up for welfare you are automatically enrolled. Now they want to give illegals licenses. This should work out well. Democrats are some of the crookedest people around in my experience. If they can't win in an election change the rules to benefit them. But again I live in a Democrat controlled state so chances are that anything crooked in politics will be a Democrat and I'm sure it influences my thinking. Same as anyone who lives in a Republican controlled state. Chances are if there is something crooked going on it will be a Republican. It's why I always say I despise all politicians. They are out for nothing but themselves.

[neurosis]

Chances are if there is something crooked going on it will be a Republican. It's why I always say I despise all politicians. They are out for nothing but themselves.

This is why I refuse to pick a side. Any side. Nothing brings out the hypocrite in people like politics. It's just a game of whataboutisms when in reality, both sides are corrupt to the core. I'm not sure what "the lesser evil" even means anymore.

There needs to be several more parties and a system that will give someone who isn't in corruption party A or corruption party B a chance to get elected. It's the way it is by design and as voters, we're so dumb that we just sit back and allow it to happen by voting for the same people time and time again. 

[beej]

This is why I refuse to pick a side. Any side. Nothing brings out the hypocrite in people like politics. It's just a game of whataboutisms when in reality, both sides are corrupt to the core. I'm not sure what "the lesser evil" even means anymore.

There needs to be several more parties and a system that will give someone who isn't in corruption party A or corruption party B a chance to get elected. It's the way it is by design and as voters, we're so dumb that we just sit back and allow it to happen by voting for the same people time and time again. 

I don't know if you've paid attention to some of the countries that have multiple parties, but it's not any better. each party is a faction that needs to build some coalition in order to get things done. So often times they thing that got that party elected gets watered down or dropped altogther.  In the US that coalition has just pretty much already happened in the 2 party system. the unions, don't really care about climate or race that much, they care about wages. So right there you have 3 factions in one party (dem). and in the Republicans you have the Free Trade group and the Christian Right, and they tolerate each other but it's not a seamless garment.

[CNCAppsJames]

...I'm not sure what "the lesser evil" even means anymore.

I think gcode said it best BITD... we are now forced to choose between the evil of 2 lessers. Either way we're getting evil, and we're gettig it good and hard.

[neurosis]

In the US that coalition has just pretty much already happened in the 2 party system.

 I think that at this point, I would settle for the two fringes of each party breaking off and leaving something in the middle that more represents *most* Americans.

I don't have any hope for politics in the US at this point. Just a lot of wishful thinking. I can't imagine what it's going to look like in another 20 years.

[rdshear]

I can't imagine what it's going to look like in another 20 years.

Sad but true, and I couldn't agree with that statement more.

[Jim at Gentex]

I saw 2000 Mules over the weekend.
Very compelling.

Unfortunately the bottom line is that neither the US Attorney General's office, nor the AG's in the 5 key battleground states have shown any compunction toward using all of the compiled evidence to prosecute the violators en masse.

I heard at least two of the mules were prosecuted in Arizona, but I don't know if that is even true.
And even if it is true, it's only a drop in the bucket.

Trump was right again.
Mass mail-in voting and ballot harvesting proved to be a disaster, and nothing has changed between 2020 and today.   

[gcode]

Mass mail-in voting and ballot harvesting proved to be a disaster, and nothing has changed between 2020 and today.

yes.. and the midterm Covid variant is fast approaching 
That will justify the continued use of drop boxes and unregulated mail in voting   

[CNCAppsJames]

yes.. and the midterm Covid variant is fast approaching 
That will justify the continued use of drop boxes and unregulated mail in voting 

Democrats have their lethally effective scam working like a well oiled machine. Until enough people decide the tree of liberty is completely parched, the fraud WILL continue indefinitely and most likely increase where deemed necessary.

[Jim at Gentex]

yes.. and the midterm Covid variant is fast approaching 
That will justify the continued use of drop boxes and unregulated mail in voting 

One of the interesting facts from the documentary that I didn't know was that many of the drop boxes were funded by sources other than our taxes.  Call me a cynic, but if people like Zuckerberg and Soros are giving money to purchase drop boxes, they are getting SOMETHING in return. 

Even billionaires don't throw money away out of the goodness of their tiny little hearts. 

[neurosis]

If these methods of voting are so effective for the Democrats, why don't the Republicans embrace and take advantage of them as well? 

[gcode]

If these methods of voting are so effective for the Democrats, why don't the Republicans embrace and take advantage of them as well? 

because corrupt democrats control the 5 big cities in the five swing states that decide the presidential election