2000 Mules

[gcode]

Do you believe Trump personally picked each and every contractor who built that wall?

In many cases he had to take what he could get
Many contractors refused to bid on it as they were afraid of blowback from the left... and with good cause
There was a contactor here in Cali who'd been doing business with the state of California for decades
They did a small job on the wall down in San Diego.
The Cali governemnt stripped them of all their state business and banished them to the wilderness.

[neurosis]

Name one letter of the alphabet that hasn't been appointed to SlowJoe's cabinet.

I didn't know that we were talking about Biden. Are we talking about Biden now? Who's defending Biden?

[neurosis]

In many cases he had to take what he could get
Many contractors refused to bid on it as they were afraid of blowback from the left... and with good cause

I don't want to go to deep in to the woods on this because I'm just poking bears .  The article that I read, and keep in mind that this was quite some time ago so I don't remember it verbatim; it said that the contractor was chosen on the buddy system and was never actually properly vetted. It was a you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours scenario. I remember something about fraud allegations as well but I can't remember the story behind it.   

I can't remember who ran the article so I'm guessing that it probably wouldn't get a lot of consideration amongst conservatives. 

[gcode]

I can't remember who ran the article so I'm guessing that it probably wouldn't get a lot of consideration amongst conservatives.

Coverage of Trump and conservatives has gotten so bad I pretty much don't believe a word I read, from anybody
Most of the press has become the propaganda wing of the American left, while Fox is a shill for the right.


As evidence, I offer the press's treatment of the recent assisnation attempt of Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh
Most Americans don't even know it happened as the mainstream press gave themselves whiplash averting their eyes.
Now imagine the coverage had a right wing nut with a murder kit been arrested in RBG's front yard???

[Smit]

it's not double speak. he outlines 3 different ways or methods for a stolen election.
1 Fraud: change the votes that went to one candidate to another candidate. this was the Dominion machine claim. He said this never happened.

2 Illegal voting.  dead people voting, people voting multiple times, etc.  he said there is evidence that this happened but not to the extent that would change the outcome.

3 Using Legal Avenues and maneuvers.  changing voting laws to allow for ballot harvesting, lessening voting security, disregarding dates and election norms.

He said that if by stealing the election you mean 1 and 2. It didn't happen to any real extent. If you are talking using method 3. Yes it happened!! and Democrats were very strategic in the states that they used to get that done. and Trump advisors recognized it quickly and begged Trump to put a team in place to stop it, but he didn't do it. And it was bewildering to his team.

Going back to page one for a moment.

Concerning #3 in your list...

The last election had over 155 million people voting. Making it easier for people to vote is why it happened. That should be what we want in this country, everybody who wants to should be able to vote. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the things you mentioned in #3.

Repugs could have gone door to door collecting votes (in the states that allowed it) if they had wanted. Mail in voting has been going on a long time with no problems. Ditto with early voting. Drop boxes? Sure. Get the vote out.

Now we have how many millions who actually, really believe the Presidency was stolen because Trump and crazy  Rudy Giuliani said so. Every court it was taken to threw the cases out because there was not one solid shred of evidence to support it...but people still believe it anyway because they saw a Youtube video or Trump said so.

I've got to wonder though, there are some people I generally regard as pretty smart repeating all this stolen election garbage. Are you guys just repeating it because you're Republicans and you'd feel like a RINO if you didn't believe the conspiracies or do you really believe it?

One more thing. On lessening voting security, if #1 or #2 didn't happen then that's not an issue either it would seem.

[CNCAppsJames]

I don't know. Name one family member who didn't have a government position after he took office?

In all fairness, had I been in his exact shoes I would have been SERIOUSLY tempted to do that very same thing for one reason; I need at least SOME people I can put around me I can trust. We all know there are nothing but shitbirds flying and crapping all over the place in DC. Imagine how bad things would have been had they ALL been Washingtoon insiders.

[neurosis]

Do you believe Trump personally picked each and every contractor who built that wall? That's done by government bidding and there are a lot of people in the government tasked with working on infrastructure. They had dozens of companies working on the wall. And BTW that was a privately funded section of border wall, NOT Trumps wall. But obviously when Dimwits think of Border wall they automatically think of Trump.

The company who built that private section, was also awarded government contracts to build other parts of the wall. Something like 2billion worth? 

They built several prototypes and The Army Corps, which is charged with contracting out the border barrier project, said that several of their designs didn't meet its requirements. So then the speculation was that their hiring was due to several campaign contributions (back scratching). I'm not sure if it was ever proven that Trump ever ordered them to be hired?  I'm not going to spend a bunch of time looking it up. The things that can be proven, are that they've cited for environmental violations, been accused of tax fraud, and had been passed over several times by the Army Corps of Engineers for not being qualified to do the job. Not surprising that the privately funded wall is in danger of washing away?
 

North Dakota-based contractor Fisher Sand & Gravel, which received nearly $2 billion in federal US-Mexico border wall construction contracts, has settled a lawsuit brought by the US government over flood risks posed by a separate 3.5-mile privately funded wall the company built in 2019.

[Jim at Gentex]

Wait...is awarding gov't contracts based on campaign donations a new thing? 

Because it has been going on for quite some time among both D's and R's.

(Solyndra, anyone? Or Halliburton?)

Not just on the federal level, but all the way down to states, counties, cities, and even small towns. 

[JParis]

Will we ever get to the the point that we realize this entire government, every single solitary elected/appointed/acting person in government is corrupt?

The entirety of the thing.

[neurosis]

Wait...is awarding gov't contracts based on campaign donations a new thing? 

Because it has been going on for quite some time among both D's and R's.

(Solyndra, anyone? Or Halliburton?)

Not just on the federal level, but all the way down to states, counties, cities, and even small towns.

No, obviously not. But were you one of those who threw a fit when it was Solyndra and Halliburton?  Because if you were, and aren't over the Trump admin awarding a contract (speculation?) to someone who was said to be less than qualified to do the job correctly as proven by the private stretch of fence being built in a flood zone ....  I guess the rest of that is rhetorical?   

I don't think that either was right. My views on that stuff (money's influence over our politicians) is usually not well received.  but you'll never see me defending either parting doing it. 

The rest of what I would say is what Jparis said above.

[neurosis]

To be a little more clear in my nonsensical ranting.   When Trump said that he was going to "drain the swamp", I didn't think that meant that he was going to become part of it.  Hence my question earlier in the thread "So do you guys think that Trump is the answer to the swamp? Or is he just taking advantage of it? "

[Jim at Gentex]

My point is that it has been going on for ever on both sides.

btw...Halliburton WAS qualified to do the job, but the connection to Dick Cheyney was a problem for the left.
Understandable.

Solyndra on the other hand was a complete farce who could not deliver anything for the taxpayers' money, and in fact they folded shortly after taking billions in gov't. funding.  But since that was Obama's pet project, the right had a problem with it.
Also understandable.

I have no allegiance to party politics when it comes to wasting our money.
Both sides are equally culpable IMO.

[CNCAppsJames]

Why do you think that is? Do you think that he would rather see Biden as president? What would be Barrs motivation to lie if he actually felt like the election was stolen?

He HAS to deny #1 and #2 and say they had near zero possibility of happening. If he were to admit or claim they happened then he would lose ALL credibility with the media because the left has such a death grip on how information is disseminated to the masses he would be branded a lunatic and that would be that.

The media and nearly all the shitbirds in it are truly the enemy of the American People and our way of life.

[CNCAppsJames]

btw...Halliburton WAS qualified to do the job, but the connection to Dick Cheyney was a problem for the left.
Understandable.

There were only 2 US companies qualified for that job; Parsons (I had an Uncle that worked there as an Engineer at the time) and Halliburton. Parsons was "barely" qualified according to my Uncle. He told me Halliburton was eminently qualified.

From my seats it looked like "one stop shopping" was desired as opposed to buffet style. The absolute truth about this matter; the left would have screamed like banshees no matter what was decided and whom it was decided to do it because that is how they roll. They are a bunch of petulant children the deserve to be spanked hard and repeatedly.

[DUM1]

smit scares me! "ballot harvesting, lessening voting security, disregarding dates and election norms."
nothing wrong with these things?

sometimes I get scared , people that truly believe there isn't one reason to own guns and that voting and politics is honest .

the most popular president ever ? really ?

you can look up the cheating all day every day. both sides do it
The cognitive dissidence these days is horrifying.

The democratic party is the socialist regime in America. Everything our forefathers fought against .
As far as I am concerned they are all treasonous criminals that should be punished as such.

Going back to page one for a moment.

Concerning #3 in your list...

The last election had over 155 million people voting. Making it easier for people to vote is why it happened. That should be what we want in this country, everybody who wants to should be able to vote. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the things you mentioned in #3.

Repugs could have gone door to door collecting votes (in the states that allowed it) if they had wanted. Mail in voting has been going on a long time with no problems. Ditto with early voting. Drop boxes? Sure. Get the vote out.

Now we have how many millions who actually, really believe the Presidency was stolen because Trump and crazy  Rudy Giuliani said so. Every court it was taken to threw the cases out because there was not one solid shred of evidence to support it...but people still believe it anyway because they saw a Youtube video or Trump said so.

I've got to wonder though, there are some people I generally regard as pretty smart repeating all this stolen election garbage. Are you guys just repeating it because you're Republicans and you'd feel like a RINO if you didn't believe the conspiracies or do you really believe it?

One more thing. On lessening voting security, if #1 or #2 didn't happen then that's not an issue either it would seem.