New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. v. Bruen

[Incogneeto]

Yes, we are

It's called "The Long Game"

We Turned Del........

We'll turn you too.


Bwahahahahahahaha (Suspenseful Music)

[RobertELee]

You're not going to change my mind on this no matter how hard you try. Just like I'm not going to change yours.

At least there is a test in place. They don't just let some 16 year old with 0 driving experience get behind the wheel of a car. Not in my State anyway.  Again, the car is a bad analogy. 

There were literally 40million background checks last year for guns, how is that "just letting people have guns"? Criminals will always find a way to get weapons; gun, knife, or rock, background check or not. Why should legal citizens with an actual given right to own a firearm have to jump through hoops to protect themselves when criminals can find them anywhere?

Remember what happened when London outlawed guns? Knives then became the weapon of choice and their murder rate became higher than New York. Guess what the mayor did? Outlawed knives!!

No matter what, people will always find a way to kill someone because our society is broken. We need our politicians to focus on fixing mental health and promoting family units to actually raise children, not just this lip service of "stopping gun violence" they are doing now.

You realize over 60% of gun related deaths are by suicide right? Why aren't politicians trying to fix that? Because their goal is control and to break down the constitution. We start circumventing the constitution by feel good laws there will be nothing left when people finally start wondering what happened to our rights.

[mkd]

There were literally 40million background checks last year for guns, how is that "just letting people have guns"? Criminals will always find a way to get weapons; gun, knife, or rock, background check or not. Why should legal citizens with an actual given right to own a firearm have to jump through hoops to protect themselves when criminals can find them anywhere?

Remember what happened when London outlawed guns? Knives then became the weapon of choice and their murder rate became higher than New York. Guess what the mayor did? Outlawed knives!!

No matter what, people will always find a way to kill someone because our society is broken. We need our politicians to focus on fixing mental health and promoting family units to actually raise children, not just this lip service of "stopping gun violence" they are doing now.

You realize over 60% of gun related deaths are by suicide right? Why aren't politicians trying to fix that? Because their goal is control and to break down the constitution. We start circumventing the constitution by feel good laws there will be nothing left when people finally start wondering what happened to our rights.

That 100% of the spirit of Alito's retort to the insane ramblings of the descent. Kinda comedy gold how leftists beclown themselves. you should read it in full got some gems in it.

[neurosis]

Why should legal citizens with an actual given right to own a firearm have to jump through hoops to protect themselves when criminals can find them anywhere?

They shouldn't.  But two things can be true at the same time. It shouldn't be as easy for someone who is a turd to get them as someone who isn't. That's why the argument is impossible. You can't infringe on one persons rights without infringing on anothers.

You guys don't or wont ever see me pushing gun control laws. In my opinion, the only thing that would fix the gun related death problem we have in this country right now would be a massive gun confiscation. I'm not advocating anything like that, nor do I think that would go over well, but nothing short of that is going to make a difference. The gun laws they propose are too little too late and mostly lip service horse shit. To repeat one of the talking points, gun laws only affect lawful gun owners.

[mkd]

They shouldn't.  But two things can be true at the same time. It shouldn't be as easy for someone who is a turd to get them as someone who isn't. That's why the argument is impossible. You can't infringe on one persons rights without infringing on anothers.

So who's the arbiter of turdyness?
 Are you anointing yourself as the turdmeister?🤣🤣🤣

[neurosis]

Are you anointing yourself as the turdmeister?

Haha. apparently.   

[gcode]

From what I'm reading, the DOJ plans to ignore this decision and find work arounds because it is "incorrect"
and
The two lawyers who took this case and won were fired by their law firm within hours of the announcement.

and

The DOJ is warning there will be a "Night of Rage" by pro abortion groups if Roe is struck down.

My question is, will the corrupt and partisan DOJ stand back and watch this Night of Rage or will they
participate.

It would appear that our constitutional democracy is well and truly dead

[JParis]

My question is, will the corrupt and partisan DOJ stand back and watch this Night of Rage or will they
participate.

Yes and yes, quietly albeit but yes on both counts

[beej]

We have a tendency to look at one issue at a time, but most of the time the issues that we face, are all related. Democrats could do a lot better for themselves if they put together a coherent plan to remove guns, but if you look at what they are wanting to do overall, it's never going to work. 

If their platform was "Let us protect you.We'll be tough on crime so that you don't have to."

you could almost kind of see it. Strengthen the police, prosecute crime, stop petty crime before it become violent crime, and then maybe I wouldn't feel the need to conceal carry.  I'm not sure I would trust it, but that would be a reasonable debate. 

But they are not saying that. They want to defund the police, put less criminals in jail and remove guns from citizens. that is a recipe for anarchy.

[mkd]

From what I'm reading, the DOJ plans to ignore this decision and find work arounds because it is "incorrect"
and
The two lawyers who took this case and won were fired by their law firm within hours of the announcement.

and

The DOJ is warning there will be a "Night of Rage" by pro abortion groups if Roe is struck down.

My question is, will the corrupt and partisan DOJ stand back and watch this Night of Rage or will they
participate.

It would appear that our constitutional democracy is well and truly dead

Which is predictably why I call for the spoils system in the Fed govt to be reimplemented.
Had Trump done this, and actually drained the swamp, we'd be in a far different bsituation.
Oh, and move the DOJ headquarters to Omaha, Nebraska.
Maybe Putin and little rocket man can help denazify Virginia

[Incogneeto]

Haha. apparently.   

I never doubted you.

[Matthew Hajicek]

In my opinion, the only thing that would fix the gun related death problem we have in this country right now would be a massive gun confiscation.

That's what they want you to think, and then they want you to think the problem is big enough that civilian disarmament would be worth it.  Fortunately there are other ways to address the issue.

I've been doing a bunch of research and discussion on this topic.  There are a few strong contributing factors that I (and others) have identified.  First, there is an extremely strong correlation between lead exposure and violent crime, with about a 20 year lag.  A mother's exposure to elevated lead levels will have detrimental effects on the mental capacity and emotional maturity of at least the next three generations, so even though lead exposure has diminished greatly since around 1975, we're still seeing second and third order effects.  Some of those living in poverty may still be experiencing first order effects.

Second, there is a strong correlation between economic disparity and violent crime, across all nations of the world, regardless of the legality or availability of weapons.  Globally and in the US, economic disparity is at record levels and only getting worse.  The economically challenged have less hope than ever of breaking out of their financial trap, and there's little more dangerous than a human who feels they have nothing to lose.  Improve people's lives enough that they have hope, and much of this violence will go away.

Third, are social media echo chambers, clickbait extremist propaganda, and disinformation.  The media is in it for the money, and things that cause outrage sell.  We (collectively) are literally paying the media to make people angry.  An overdose of anger then leads to lashing out in one form or another.

Fourth, there is a high cost to getting mental help.  Both financially, and in social credit.  Even among those who can afford to buy mental help, they risk being ostracized, and potentially losing job opportunities and even constitutional rights.  Creating options for cheap or free *confidential* mental health help could have a dramatic impact.

Fifth, the data shows, at least in the US, that most violent crime is committed with stolen weapons.  These weapons are stolen from homes and from cars.  A program to give vouchers for gun safes to the economically challenged could help the theft from homes, while changing the laws that cause people to leave their guns in their cars could help reduce theft from cars; parking lots at "gun free" zones are hot targets.

[gcode]

there is also a correlation between fatherless children and crime.
Since our welfare system financially rewards fatherless families we are using our tax dollars as a crime incubator.
In some of the economically struggling cities in this country, 70% of children are born out of wedlock.

[neurosis]

Improve people's lives enough that they have hope, and much of this violence will go away.

Sound like a catch 22 scenario.  The people who support gun rights are the same who live by the 'pull yourself up by your boot straps' mantra.  There is never going to be an agreement on how to make peoples lives better. That, and our government is so corrupt that neither side wants to see that happen. So what's the alternative or how do you make that happen?

[Smit]

there is also a correlation between fatherless children and crime.
Since our welfare system financially rewards fatherless families we are using our tax dollars as a crime incubator.
In some of the economically struggling cities in this country, 70% of children are born out of wedlock.

And look, the Republicans on the Supreme court just overturned Roe vs Wade. Things aren't looking up.