What a tool

[YoDoug]

I used to refer to myself as a libertarian, (you do you and I'll do me) until some people tried to buy the plot of land right next to my house in order to put 3 single wide trailers on it. Then all I wanted to do was take away their rights to do so, which I eventually did. I wonder what a real libertarian would do in that situation.

I don't think that necessarily violates libertarian principals. It would depend on why you objected to your neighbors plans. The idea of "live and let live" also requires that your actions will not negatively affect others. When you neighbor decides to put three trailers on his property it will most likely have a negative affect on your property value, aka investment. If you just don't want to look at three trailers, not very libertarian. If you are concerned about how three trailers may hurt your resale value, completely different.

[mkd]

Some people equate libertarianism as anarchy, and not without cause.
Tough to infiltrate the govts as representatives if you don't believe in the institution. Democrats praying at the alter of State have a better business plan in this regard.
The trailer park neighbor should be accountable for the negative property value consequences, in my libertarian brain. They're choosing to impact that neighborhood. The solutions could be numerous aesthetic and landscaping upgrades.
Same argument on national defense and trade. If other nations are punching you in the nose, there should be swift and harsh reaction. Most people see libertarianism as pacifists as a well earned reputation. I think they have it wrong.
I've only ever registered as a libertarian but I vote conservative given the opportunity. Voted for Bush on his second term with my nose plugged, but it was much better choice that keery or internet inventor Gore.
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 .edit...I got duped by prop47 here in Kali. Dishonest campaign and too lazy to research at length got me.

[Incogneeto]

The trailer park neighbor should be accountable for the negative property value consequences, in my libertarian brain. They're choosing to impact that neighborhood. The solutions could be numerous aesthetic and landscaping upgrades.

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 .edit...I got duped by prop47 here in Kali. Dishonest campaign and too lazy to research at length got me.

On the skin of it yes.

My adaptation would be if it was a senior mobile home park and did not affect the value ,No Prob.

Dragging three trailers up the hill and putting For Rent signs on them is a Slum landlord and meth lovers dream.

Off the map and Cash only$$$

I would be caught on the trailcams with a gallon of Gas and a Bic before they moved in.

Hmmmm ? maybe I'm Libertarian too?

[neurosis]

I think that beej hit the nail on the head.  There is really no such thing as a libertarian.  Some people claim to be libertarian but the thought has become so bastardized that it's lost its meaning.

Classic liberalism has all but disappeared.

[CNCAppsJames]

As time goes on, MANY of Reagan's decisions have truly and deeply harmed this nation and it's foundations. His positions and signed legislation on gun control were pretty bad, however his worst decision: granting amnesty to illegal aliens. That one decision alone has harmed the Republic so deeply and so irreversibly that it was truly the beginning of the end. A nation not allowed to control it's borders is no nation at all and it's only a matter of time before it is overrun and destroyed. 

Another point regarding RINOS and Dan Crenshaw, even if Red Flag laws were the ONLY issue he parted ways with conservatives he still deserves the moniker of RINO because "Due Process" matters. It mattered so much the founders enshrined it in the US Constitution. There were no caveats. There were no exceptions. And we could own warships an cannons back then. Red Flag laws are complete and total bullshit and anyone that supports them deserves any negativity they get, crass or otherwise. Anyone who supports Red Flag laws cannot be trusted, and if we're being analytical they are probably about to do something or some things that the founders of this nation SURELY would have shot them for. 

[Matthew Hajicek]

I think that beej hit the nail on the head.  There is really no such thing as a libertarian.  Some people claim to be libertarian but the thought has become so bastardized that it's lost its meaning.

Classic liberalism has all but disappeared.

I prefer the term "antiauthoritarian".

[beej]

Democrats are trying to keep the polarization strong by supporting far right in the opponents in the primares. This is also playing out in the Illinois Governor race. Democrats there are trying to keep a black republican from running against Pritzker in the general election by promoting a far right candidate there, that they believe has no chance of winning the entire state.....and it's working. after democrats ran ads saying, "Bailey! He's too conservative for Illinois, Bailey's poll numbers shot up.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/28/democrats-getting-the-jitters-in-washington-and-colorado-00042679

Less than a year ago, a GOP Senate victory in deep blue Washington state would have been unthinkable. But now, Democrats are spending millions on advertising in several once-reliable Democratic strongholds, including Washington, as Republicans build national momentum and push for new Senate pickups.

There's a similar panic in Colorado, where Tuesday's GOP Senate primary has also drawn millions of dollars in Democratic-funded ads to boost a far-right candidate, a massive last-ditch campaign to keep a moderate Republican off the ballot this fall.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-primary-season-fund-conservative-advertsing-illinois-colorado-11655326924

[gcode]

Democrats are trying to keep the polarization strong by supporting far right in the opponents in the primares.

We've got open primaries here.. any one can vote for any candidate from any party and the top 2 go on the general election ballot.
It leaves a lot of room for playing games... Dems will vote in droves for some far right lunatic to keep viable candidates off the ballot. Many races here are just a contest between a leftist Dem and an lunatic leftist Dem
My wife and I still vote the primaries, but it's really a complete waste of time.
In Cali, the state employee unions run the show. They decide who's going to win and then they make it happen.

[neurosis]

Less than a year ago, a GOP Senate victory in deep blue Washington state would have been unthinkable. But now,

Patty Murray ads have been plastered all over every channel locally. It seems like you see one every 15 minutes.   I hate that lady.

[gcode]

Less than a year ago, a GOP Senate victory in deep blue Washington state would have been unthinkable.

It still is..the Dem power structure counts the votes.

[Jim at Gentex]

We've got open primaries here.. any one can vote for any candidate from any party and the top 2 go on the general election ballot.
It leaves a lot of room for playing games... Dems will vote in droves for some far right lunatic to keep viable candidates off the ballot. Many races here are just a contest between a leftist Dem and an lunatic leftist Dem
My wife and I still vote the primaries, but it's really a complete waste of time.
In Cali, the state employee unions run the show. They decide who's going to win and then they make it happen.

That's why open primaries are the worst idea in political history.

If the purpose of the primaries is for each party to nominate THEIR OWN candidates, allowing cross-party voting completely undermines that idea. 

It boggles my mind that otherwise intelligent people can't see the harm in that. 

[gcode]

It boggles my mind that otherwise intelligent people can't see the harm in that. 

Open primaries are voted into existence by the dominant party to ensure that they remain dominant.
Given time the Dems and their supermajority in California will turn this state into a 3rd world wasteland
Look at central California for a preview of things to come.

and if you want a real wake up call consider this

Our one and only Governor Newsome is considered a leading contender for our next POTUS
It looks like terminal stupidity is highly contagious 

[Matthew Hajicek]

Parties are the worst idea in political history.

[Smit]

The primaries we have today ensure we get the worst candidates each party can offer because only the candidates who cater to the extremes of their parties base can get nominated.

Open primaries allow the moderate unaffiliated people to have a voice and they won't vote for the people the wackos prefer.

Regardless of who is nominated in California the Democrat is going to win. Same goes for Kansas, the Republican is going to win unless the Republicans go too far off the deep end like they did in the last governors election.

Open primaries are just about the only way I can see this country having sane leadership. But there's no way the parties will allow it to happen.

[neurosis]

Open primaries are just about the only way I can see this country having sane leadership. But there's no way the parties will allow it to happen.

If it weren't for open primaries in Washington State I more than likely wouldn't even bother to vote. It would be even *more* of a waste of time than it already is. I'd still like to see rank choice implemented in the State but I don't think that would happen here.