Roe V Wade is overturned

[Matthew Hajicek]

Moral relativism has no home here

And if 51% of people decide it's wrong to teach children fairy-tales like religion?  Shall we ignore that freedom of choice too?

The entire purpose of having a federation of states is to allow differences between states.  The federal government has grabbed far too much power already.

[mkd]

And if 51% of people decide it's wrong to teach children fairy-tales like religion?  Shall we ignore that freedom of choice too?

The entire purpose of having a federation of states is to allow differences between states.  The federal government has grabbed far too much power already.

Transparent strawman argument.yawn.
As if freedom of religion and association is on par with the state sponsored killing of 60 million human, minority girls and boys.

[mkd]

So what's your favorite part of abortion, is it the dismemberment while little guy resists the scalpal or the fact that there are 60 million less minority offspring running around?

[neurosis]

So what's your favorite part of abortion, is it the dismemberment while little guy resists the scalpal or the fact that there are 60 million less minority offspring running around?

Weren't you just mentioning strawmen?   

My favorite part is that I'll never be the one who has to make that decision. Apparently some of us don't have a problem making that decision for others?

[mkd]

Weren't you just mentioning strawmen?   

My favorite part is that I'll never be the one who has to make that decision. Apparently some of us don't have a problem making that decision for others?

I see you can't deal with the reality of the facts of the issue to conveniently push your agenda.
 But I can answer all questions on the issue in a sincere way, unlike yourself. So yes, I'll happily decide for THEE others that your baby killing death cult as a sacrament refuse to give a voice to.
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See how easy it is to argue honestly when you have the correct moral high ground? Go ahead and keep your head buried in the sand. And STFU.

[neurosis]

I see you can't deal with the reality of the facts of the issue to conveniently push your agenda.

What exactly is it that you think my agenda is? 

My agenda is to mind my own business and not to force people to live under my opinions, standards, or beliefs. That *is* my agenda.  It's also not to be forced to live by your or anyone else's standards just because you feel morally superior. I don't necessarily believe everything that you or some other people do.  I don't criticize you or expect you to be or think like me. I just don't want to be forced to be or think like you. That's my agenda in a nutshell.

In todays political environment I'm sure that makes me the odd man out.     

Back to your regular scheduled programming.

[Smit]

For a guy who claims to be a libertarian, well, that wasn't very libertarian.

I'm thinking a LINO maybe.

[beej]

My favorite part is that I'll never be the one who has to make that decision. Apparently some of us don't have a problem making that decision for others?

there are some decisions that society takes away from individuals for the betterment of all or for the betterment of a person who can not stand up for themselves.  For instance a sheriff may take away a mob's right to lynch a man before he stands trial, because even a man who may die soon after the trial has rights to due process.

Concerned neighbors may stop a man from beating his wife with a stick.

Grown children might remove the guns from their elderly father's house so that he doesn't commit suicide, even if he is only harming himself in the process. 

These are all legit times that a group of people might be stopped from their individual freedom to harm another or themselves.  It's not unreasonable that abortion would fall into this category, especially since 2 lives are at stake. the life of the mother and the life of the unborn child. There are moral, social and scientific reasons to stop abortion.

[neurosis]

there are some decisions that society takes away from individuals for the betterment of all or for the betterment of a person who can not stand up for themselves.

I agree, but in this case, a majority of society agrees that this should be a legal procedure. The minority wants to force others to live by their standards. I could go in to the this should be between the patient and their doctor hoopla, but blah blah blah.  

[beej]

I agree, but in this case, a majority of society agrees that this should be a legal procedure. The minority wants to force others to live by their standards. I could go in to the this should be between the patient and their doctor hoopla, but blah blah blah.  

in the first example, I gave. a majority thought a man should be lynched, but a single government official was stopping them because as a human in the US he had consitutional rights.

[neurosis]

in the first example, I gave. a majority thought a man should be lynched, but a single government official was stopping them because as a human in the US he had consitutional rights.

I'm guessing that 70% of doctors didn't agree that lynching should be an accessible procedure?      

[beej]

I'm guessing that 70% of doctors didn't agree that lynching should be an accessible procedure?      

The occupations and education of the mob doesn't determine the man's rights to due process.

[neurosis]

I'm thinking a LINO maybe.

LOL.  I don't know that I've heard that one before.

I'm starting to think that I should bow out of this conversation   This is too hot button of an issue and I don't wan to start making everyone mad at me. 

[JParis]

a majority of society agrees that this should be a legal procedure.

But do they?   That's actually never been tried at the political level...I don't know if the polls show with accuracy or not...

Then you come down to that line of approval moves, rather drastically, once you begin to add the for any reason and at any time, minor child parental notification...there are lines that people will seemingly draw, so where this falls politically is, I think, still going to be decided.

Kinda like everyone polls that they despise "Congress" yet their Congressman is doing their job...mixed signals once you get down into the details.

and that is where the abortion topic is going to hammered out....

[beej]

LOL.  I don't know that I've heard that one before.

I'm starting to think that I should bow out of this conversation   This is too hot button of an issue and I don't wan to start making everyone mad at me. 

you certainly haven't made me mad. I enjoy the discussion.