VERIFICATION CONSOLODATION WARS: WHO WINS THE FUTURE?

mkd · July 18, 2022, 12:54 PM

Sandvik: Mastercam+Vericut (edit: and ICAM)(edit2: GibbsCAM)
Autodesk: adding CAMplete to their suite
Hexagon: NCsimul and Esprit
^^obvious market leaders^^

what about the rest that have integrated simulations?
TopSolid
NX
Hypermill
IMS
?
?

JParis · July 18, 2022, 12:57 PM

Don't forget, Sandvik bought ICAM

YoDoug · July 18, 2022, 01:01 PM

For us, a small MFG, I like the idea of an all in one software. We can use TopSolid for everything we need to do. We don't have to buy a different package from a different company and get support from different people. Also only one maintenance to pay.

Tim Johnson · July 18, 2022, 01:45 PM

Quote from: JParis on July 18, 2022, 12:57 PMDon't forget, Sandvik bought ICAM

Sandvik also bought Gibbs Cam.

TSmcam · July 18, 2022, 03:48 PM

I'm happy with an integrated CAD and CAM application, but for g-code simulation, I prefer a standalone application.

Even if Vericut got rolled in MC, it would still be offered as standalone. But even then, (and if I was still a MC user), I would still prefer it seperate.

TopSolid has Eureka built in now (if required). I've looked at it, but not seriously used it.

Tim Johnson · July 19, 2022, 05:06 AM

Quote from: TSmcam on July 18, 2022, 03:48 PMI'm happy with an integrated CAD and CAM application, but for g-code simulation, I prefer a standalone application.

Even if Vericut got rolled in MC, it would still be offered as standalone. But even then, (and if I was still a MC user), I would still prefer it seperate.

TopSolid has Eureka built in now (if required). I've looked at it, but not seriously used it.

I would need them to be separate. I have one computer for Vericut and another one for Mastercam.

TSmcam · July 19, 2022, 01:16 PM

Quote from: Newbeeee™ on July 19, 2022, 02:06 AMProviding it's nicely integrated, not buggy :snort:, and is 100% configurable for all the idiosyncrasies controls have, I'm with Doug for the same reasons and would prefer a single solution.

But thats the thing. It is easy for some idiosyncrasies to be absorbed, Have the same CAM application do G-code simulation is like getting the guy that machined the part to do the first article inspection..

Always better with a seperate, second set of eyes. Vericut was developed solely for verification and simulation. That is its task first and foremost.

TSmcam · July 19, 2022, 02:27 PM

Quote from: Newbeeee™ on July 19, 2022, 02:16 PMAnd if that was seamlessly integrated into mastercam bug free....
Std verify>
Compare to model>
Post>
VeriCAM (mastercams very own vericut simulation LoL)

Neat solution.....

Did you just say bug free and neat solution in the same post?

LOL

CNCAppsJames · July 19, 2022, 04:51 PM

Quote from: Newbeeee™ on July 19, 2022, 02:16 PMAnd if that was seamlessly integrated into mastercam bug free....
Std verify>
Compare to model>
Post>
VeriCAM (mastercams very own vericut simulation LoL)

Neat solution.....

CAMplete has the same situaion within Mastercam. Plug-In/Chook couple mouse clicks and you're good to go checking code.

TSmcam · July 19, 2022, 05:52 PM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on July 19, 2022, 04:51 PMCAMplete has the same situaion within Mastercam. Plug-In/Chook couple mouse clicks and you're good to go checking code.

As does NX with their ISV. I have a customer that uses NX for simulation on a 5 axis gantry. The ISV seems to work pretty good, at least for the gantry. Their other user on a DMG, had a lot of trouble setting it up, and ran with Vericut. So they've ended up with both sides of the fence.

Vericut has translators for most popular CAM applications, and some CAM applications provide their own. Plenty of people swear by the Mastercam to Vericut tanslator.