AD downgrades Fusion 360

[gcode]

AD downgrades Fusion 360

The removal of features from Autodesk products would appear to be turning into something of a routine at this point, with the announced removal of local simulations the latest in this series. Previously Autodesk had severely cut down the features available with a Personal Use license, but these latest changes (effective September 6) affect even paying customers, no matter which tier.

While previously executed local simulations on designs will remain accessible, any updates to these simulations, as well as any new simulations will have to use Autodesk's cloud-based solver. This includes the linear stress, modal frequencies, thermal, and thermal stress simulation types, with each type of simulation study costing a number of Cloud Tokens.

Solving a linear simulation should initially cost 0 tokens, but the other types between 3 – 6 tokens, with the exact cost per token likely to vary per region. This means that instead of solving simulations for free on one's own hardware, the only option in a matter of weeks will be solely through Autodesk's cloud-based offerings.

Naturally, we can see this change going over exceedingly well with Fusion 360 users and we're looking forward to seeing how Autodesk will spin the inevitable backlash.

[Matthew Hajicek]

I expect that you'll soon be able to buy Autodesk loot boxes.  You might get a day of subscription!  You might get simulation tokens!  You never know!

[gcode]

I expect that you'll soon be able to buy Autodesk loot boxes.  You might get a day of subscription!  You might get simulation tokens!  You never know!

and you WILL get f'ed

[mkd]

Autobad strikes again. But it was pretty cool to offer a quality product for cheap for so long.

[Matthew Hajicek]

Autobad strikes again. But it was pretty cool to offer a quality product for cheap for so long.

First hit's free.

[TSmcam]

Yep. I've always been of the thought, that sooner or later Autodesk will screw you.

It is their MO. No more #boom, and more #squeallikeapig

[Jeff]

We all saw this coming. They lured in all of the home shop guys with this product also. Their work is saved on AD's servers, that was a major red flag for me from the beginning, but I caught flak for saying so.
Now they either need to pay up or bite the bullet and buy a real cad/cam program.

[pmartin]

Now they either need to pay up or bite the bullet and buy a real cad/cam program.

Or they could get Mastercam.

[gcode]

They lured in all of the home shop guys with this product also. Their work is saved on AD's servers, that was a major red flag for me from the beginning, but I caught flak for saying so.

There are a whole lot of mom and shop shops that have been riding the free AD gravy train too.
They are in deep shit. They've got years of legacy work being held hostage by AD.

[gcode]

Or they could get Mastercam.

So far, Sandvik has been pretty much hands off with Mastercam.
It's early days though. I'm sure they have a master plan of some sorts.

[JParis]

There are a whole lot of mom and shop shops that have been riding the free AD gravy train too.
They are in deep shit. They've got years of legacy work being held hostage by AD.

and AD is banking that'll make them buyers...

Many might be pissed that the gravy train is over but are they pissed enough to kiss their data away?
That's been AD modus operandi from the get go...

[CNCAppsJames]

Truth be told, TCO (Total Cost of "Ownership") for MC isn't as low as you guys think.

Just gonna use round numbers here. Mill Level 3, Solids, + Lathe Add-On (no multi-axis) is around $18k USD give or take. Plus $3k-ish per year maintenance. That's the picture.

Now, you take Fusion360... the way things have broken out with the same-ish functionality (though Fusion360's modeler is in a different class all together, but I digress)  looks to be around $1500/year last I looked, So... the ONLY way Mastercam gets cheaper is if you don't go the maintenance route. I'd bet the vast majority do because the penalty if you don't is SEVERE and you all know it... Should you want to get back on, if it's been long enough, you're buying it again.

The reality is Fusion360 is still a good deal for what you get vs. how much you pay. Do I approve of their business practices? No. I approve of how they do things even less than how I approve of Adobe, MicroShaft, and the rest of those Silicon Valley Software shitbirds because at least with those other shitbirds you still for the time being own your data (images, documents, drawings, etc...) whereas AD owns your Fusion data lock stock and barrel which is WAY not cool no matter how they sell it.

AD is a hard left leaning company as are all the Silicon Valley sooftware/data giants and Klaus "You'll Own Nothing And Like It" Schwab is steering that whole leftist ship.

Y'all best just get used to Software "ownership", car ownership, and home ownership being a thing of the past. It's ALL gonna be subscription based and you're gonna like it... because Klaus told you so.





I'm guessing they'll never take many of us alive to their reducation camps. They are coming though... they are coming.

[TSmcam]

Truth be told, TCO (Total Cost of "Ownership") for MC isn't as low as you guys think.

Just gonna use round numbers here. Mill Level 3, Solids, + Lathe Add-On (no multi-axis) is around $18k USD give or take. Plus $3k-ish per year maintenance. That's the picture.

Now, you take Fusion360... the way things have broken out with the same-ish functionality (though Fusion360's modeler is in a different class all together, but I digress)  looks to be around $1500/year last I looked, So... the ONLY way Mastercam gets cheaper is if you don't go the maintenance route. I'd bet the vast majority do because the penalty if you don't is SEVERE and you all know it... Should you want to get back on, if it's been long enough, you're buying it again.

The reality is Fusion360 is still a good deal for what you get vs. how much you pay. Do I approve of their business practices? No. I approve of how they do things even less than how I approve of Adobe, MicroShaft, and the rest of those Silicon Valley Software shitbirds because at least with those other shitbirds you still for the time being own your data (images, documents, drawings, etc...) whereas AD owns your Fusion data lock stock and barrel which is WAY not cool no matter how they sell it.

AD is a hard left leaning company as are all the Silicon Valley sooftware/data giants and Klaus "You'll Own Nothing And Like It" Schwab is steering that whole leftist ship.

Y'all best just get used to Software "ownership", car ownership, and home ownership being a thing of the past. It's ALL gonna be subscription based and you're gonna like it... because Klaus told you so.





I'm guessing they'll never take many of us alive to their reducation camps. They are coming though... they are coming.

I nod with about 98% of the above. As for the subscription thing, time will tell. I'm not saying I dont agree with you. But I can also see some software companies holding out, or at least retaining the non subscription model, as benefit of using their product over others. More like a one size fits all. Some people wanna' da' 'scription, and others wanna' the other. CGTech offer sub and purchase and have done for a while. Mastercam does as well, afaik?

But, everyone knew Autodesk would start pulling the strings sooner or later. They're the king of it.

They like "making things" including "making users roll over" LOL

[gcode]

Now, you take Fusion360... the way things have broken out with the same-ish functionality (though Fusion360's modeler is in a different class all together, but I digress)  looks to be around $1500/year last I looked,

does that include 5axis toolpaths if so that's a pretty good deal
one thing that's a real deal breaker for me.
With AD's subscription model, if you hit a rough patch and your subscription expires, you've got nothing to climb out
of the hole with.
If I can't pay Mastercam maintenance, I may not get the next set of updates, but I still have programming software
and control of my files
 

[TSmcam]

does that include 5axis toolpaths if so that's a pretty good deal
one thing that's a real deal breaker for me.
With AD's subscription model, if you hit a rough patch and your subscription expires, you've got nothing to climb out
of the hole with.
If I can't pay Mastercam maintenance, I may not get the next set of updates, but I still have programming software
and control of my files
 

Bingo, the benefit of the perpetual license. You're not in a position to be held to ransom.