Will Trump Ride off into the sunset, or play the broken here

[beej]

No, we don't know that for sure. It could be a public perception spin from the defendant and his lawyer. However, given the proven corrupt history of the DOJ/FBI I don't have any second thoughts about believing they are the ones doing it for political gain.

yes, but this happens all the time to all kinds of people charged with various crimes. especially sex crimes and abuse crimes, at local, state and federal levels. The only reason we hear about this is because right wing media is trying to get us worked up over it. No Media seem to care if this happens to a child molester. In my opinion, the jan 6th defendants played a dangerous game going into that capital building like they did, and they are paying for a penalty for it. What's happening to them, maybe it's just maybe it's not, but did they think that there would be no consequences to that? and why did so many of them bring pepper spray with them to a rally? I've gone to several pro-life marches (2 in washington DC) never saw a single person with pepper spray in their hands.

[YoDoug]

yes, but this happens all the time to all kinds of people charged with various crimes. especially sex crimes and abuse crimes, at local, state and federal levels. The only reason we hear about this is because right wing media is trying to get us worked up over it. No Media seem to care if this happens to a child molester. In my opinion, the jan 6th defendants played a dangerous game going into that capital building like they did, and they are paying for a penalty for it. What's happening to them, maybe it's just maybe it's not, but did they think that there would be no consequences to that? and why did so many of them bring pepper spray with them to a rally? I've gone to several pro-life marches (2 in washington DC) never saw a single person with pepper spray in their hands.

I care if it happens to anyone that is a US citizen. The bill of rights applies equally to all, regardless of accused crime, race, ethnicity, wealth, etc.

[beej]

The charging docs do make a pretty damning case, but it still does not excuse the treatment. The hallmark of our constitution and law is you are presumed innocent and given a right to a speedy trial. That is the opposite of what is happening to J6 defendants. You have to ask yourself a question, if the "evidence" is so damning then why the delay and dragging on. You would think the DOJ would love to get this in front of a jury and get a guilty verdict. Either they don't really have that good of a case or they are purposely doing it for political theatrics just like banana republic dictators do to their opposition.

Gateway Pundit wrote this:

Jeff did not go inside the Capitol, injure anyone, or damage any property.

Even though the pics say otherwise. What else is GP lying about?

[mkd]

Beside that, you can't honestly tell me that if those people were Democrats storming the capital, you'd be worried about their civil liberties.

Sheesh, come back to reality.
After years of democrat district "mostly peaceful" burning looting and killing and anarchy, a guy with a horn hat literally being invited into the the people's capitol build by the cops (and other FBI agitators instigating and coordinaing, btw) is suddenly the worst thing ever.
Puuuuulease🙄🙄🙄🙄

[mkd]

I guess both seasons of the J6 sham that we're produced by Hollywood producers are effective in persuading idiots, as evidenced by the recent election.

[beej]

Sheesh, come back to reality.
After years of democrat district "mostly peaceful" burning looting and killing and anarchy, a guy with a horn hat literally being invited into the the people's capitol build by the cops (and other FBI agitators instigating and coordinaing, btw) is suddenly the worst thing ever.
Puuuuulease🙄🙄🙄🙄

I never said it was the worst thing ever. I said Mike Pence is not a RINO.

[YoDoug]

Gateway Pundit wrote this:
Even though the pics say otherwise. What else is GP lying about?

Technically he did not go into the capital building, the only evidence is him entering the tunnel, which is capital grounds and restricted area. While it is playing semantics with words, GP is not wrong, there is no evidence of him actually in the capital building. They like to do this to present their extreme version of events. Also, the filing docs never specify who was injured and how. The FBI agent says in his experience it looks like pepper spray or other irritant, but no one seems to be flinching at all from the spray. I have no idea what he sprayed but you would think there would be evidence presented to back up their claims. Likewise he was at the front of the line so the pushing against the guards is irrelevant because if people behind you are pushing you forward you put your arms out to keep from getting crushed. Now with all that said, I'm not trying to defend the guy, I think he was worked up over the stolen election, boasted about being ready for action, went to the capital and got caught up/participated in the mayhem. I think to some degree he is probably guilty. My problem is it has been 2 years and they don't even have pretrial set, let alone trial.

What happens when the gov starts doing the same to pro-life activists? If they keep getting away with this they will use it as a tool to silence and grassroots organized protests. You show up to protest and risk being jailed indefinitely until the gov gets around to your trial.

[beej]

Different person but exactly what I was saying earlier...
https://www.wdbj7.com/2022/10/31/jan-6th-trial-against-montgomery-county-man-delayed-again/

ROANOKE, Va. (WDBJ) - The trial against a Montgomery County man charged in connection with the January 6th Capitol riot has been delayed for a second time.

Jeremy Groseclose was set to face a jury two weeks from today. In court documents, FBI agents say surveillance video shows Groseclose inside the Capitol, taking pictures of himself and others. Agents also believe he helped prop open a roll-up door police were using to try to keep rioters out.

His attorney, Carmen Hernandez, told a judge during a virtual hearing Monday afternoon she would not be ready for trial on November 14. The government motioned for the hearing to bring a resolution to what they said were ongoing delays with the defense. In September, Hernandez motioned for a continuance of trial, stating she would be too busy with other cases. The D.C. District Court judge denied the motion.

During Monday's hearing, however, the judge granted the motion, while emphasizing to Hernandez that her client, too, deserved a fair trial.

This makes Monday's continuance the second time the trial date in this case has been pushed back. In May, his trial, scheduled for August, was pushed to the November date with Hernandez citing scheduling concerns.

No new date has been set.

[Incogneeto]

Hint, it's not really rain.

I told you I would make it rain. But I need more Beer....and a Ladder.

[CNCAppsJames]

...
My problem is it has been 2 years and they don't even have pretrial set, let alone trial.
...

Yep. 

Still waiting for an indictment for "insurrection". 

[pmartin]

J6? If this had happened 70 years ago those guys would have been lined up and shot as traitors.

[JParis]

J6? If this had happened 70 years ago those guys would have been lined up and shot as traitors.

Really?

Look up The Bond Army...granted they never entered the capitol building AFAIK

[pmartin]

Really?

Look up The Bond Army...granted they never entered the capitol building AFAIK

I heard of that. A coup planned and paid for by the wealthy.

[YoDoug]

J6? If this had happened 70 years ago those guys would have been lined up and shot as traitors.

70 years ago half the Dem party were card carrying Klansmen that didn't believe all humans deserved equal rights. 70 years ago antifa/blm trying to burn down a police station would have been met with a fury of cop lead. Trying to view a current event against the past is irrelevant. 

[pmartin]

70 years ago half the Dem party were card carrying Klansmen that didn't believe all humans deserved equal rights. 70 years ago antifa/blm trying to burn down a police station would have been met with a fury of cop lead. Trying to view a current event against the past is irrelevant.

Does that mean that you are not a Constitutional originalist?