I think he's dead

[CNCAppsJames]

You and I are NEVER going to see eye to eye on much. You have your opinions and views, I have mine and that's how it's gonna be. We can go back and forth all day long for the rest of our lives and it's not going to make one bit of difference about anything. I'm definitely not changing your mind about anything and you're not changing my mind about anything either.

[CNCAppsJames]

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When I first saw that video (with the sound off)  I though "Oh shit, he shot him in the back"
That won't meet self defense criteria here in Cali
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There's a few scenarios where it may fly but those are HEAVILY dependent on the city and/or county where it takes place.

[ghuns]

Before a prosecutor can charge the shooter with murder for that last shot, he'd have to decided that he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the shootee was still alive when that shot was fired.

[Del.]

 

Before a prosecutor can charge the shooter with murder for that last shot, he'd have to decided that he could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the shootee was still alive when that shot was fired.

Uh the constitution says a man is presumed alive until proven dead.

[beej]

I've been following this thread. I heard all the commentary, saw the photo with the red line on it. and then watched the video. The good guy with the gun never put any other patrons in danger. He drew the weapon but held the trigger until the guy moved past all of the customers. remarkable poise and control.

Obama said that in some neighborhoods, guns are easier to get than books or vegetables, but this felon was using a fake gun. Must not be true because he had used a real weapon in previous robberies and they were selling vegetables right there in the diner.

I'm against the death penalty because I don't think it deters crime. If it took place faster maybe it would, but if it takes you ten or 15 years to execute someone, You might as well just keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I just don't think it is convincing enough to make a difference. I have to wonder, though, after this, if crime goes down for a little while in Houston, because that was decisive!

[YoDoug]

Uh the constitution says a man is presumed alive until proven dead.

It's like Schrodinger's cat in the box paradox. You can't be sure if he is dead or alive until you shoot him again.

[beej]

It's like Schrodinger's cat in the box paradox. You can't be sure if he is dead or alive until you shoot him again.

same with possums

[CNCAppsJames]

It's like Schrodinger's cat ....

Daaaaaaaaaang. Been a while since I've seen Schrodinger's cat brought into a discussion.

Well played.

[Del.]

It's like Schrodinger's cat in the box paradox. You can't be sure if he is dead or alive until you shoot him again.

That's just good common sense.

[mowens]

It's like Schrodinger's cat in the box paradox. You can't be sure if he is dead or alive until you shoot him again.

He's both until you open the box.

[gcode]

I'm against the death penalty because I don't think it deters crime.

Of course it does.. if the prep had gotten the death sentence for his first murder, this crime would have never occurred
He'd have either been rotting on death row, or dead. In either case, he would not have been robbing taco shops with a BB gun.

[beej]

Of course it does.. if the prep had gotten the death sentence for his first murder, this crime would have never occurred
He'd have either been rotting on death row, or dead. In either case, he would not have been robbing taco shops with a BB gun.

If he had gotten life in prison it would have done the same. but my point was that the death penalty of other felon's didn't deter him in his first crime, but his death in this manor might deter others, because of it's decisiveness.

[Del.]

Death Penalty is not for deterrence but punishment for their crimes.   

[MIL-TFP-41]

I'm against the death penalty because I don't think it deters crime. If it took place faster maybe it would, but if it takes you ten or 15 years to execute someone, You might as well just keep them in prison for the rest of their lives. I just don't think it is convincing enough to make a difference. I have to wonder, though, after this, if crime goes down for a little while in Houston, because that was decisive!

If violent crimes ended like this one did on a regular basis, guaranteed violent crime would drop. Either because of the deterrent, or bad guys getting killed. Win win.

[Matthew Hajicek]

Death Penalty is not for deterrence but punishment for their crimes.   

The purpose of punishment is deterrence.