Matsuura MX330

[YoDoug]

Siemens? LMAO

LOL, years ago I was working with a customer that had accidentally deleted the TRAORI files in their 5x Seimens controller. It was a machine that came in both Fanuc and Seimens varieties. The USA OEM didn't have anyone on staff that knew how to do the calibration after replacing the missing files. The customer ended up having find that one third party contractor to finish the setup.

[Here's Johnny!]

LOL, years ago I was working with a customer that had accidentally deleted the TRAORI files in their 5x Seimens controller. It was a machine that came in both Fanuc and Seimens varieties. The USA OEM didn't have anyone on staff that knew how to do the calibration after replacing the missing files. The customer ended up having find that one third party contractor to finish the setup.

They are a capable control as long as you have support to figure everything out. That scenario would be a nightmare!

[CNCAppsJames]

So what you are saying is, it's not that Fanuc isn't capable, it's just overly complicated.

Not saying that at all. Just saying too few people are able/willing to RTFM.

If I (who BARELY graduated High School) can figure this stuff out, it is most definitely not complicated. If somebody can't figure out something isn't it kind of on them to seek out the answers rather than just poo-poo it and say "it's not possible" or whatever excuse one chooses to use?

[CNCAppsJames]

LOL, years ago I was working with a customer that had accidentally deleted the TRAORI files in their 5x Siemens controller.

That's one of the many disadvantages of Siemens when comparing to other controls. On a FANUC control, the "software" resides on the ROM. You can't delete it. Ever.

[CNCAppsJames]

And furthermore @YoDoug  ... when OSP starts showing up on dozens (if not more) of other machine tool builders' machines THEN you can start throwing shade on builder integration/implementation/dealer education/etc.... Until then... orange meet apple.

[YoDoug]

And furthermore @YoDoug  ... when OSP starts showing up on dozens (if not more) of other machine tool builders' machines THEN you can start throwing shade on builder integration/implementation/dealer education/etc.... Until then... orange meet apple.

IMO, your comment supports the fact that single owner builder of the whole machine is superior because you don't run into the implementation and/or support issues.

Also, for a FANucBoi you sure do get triggered easily about Fanuc's. It's almost as easy as triggering a snowflake's TDS.

[JParis]

 

[CNCAppsJames]

IMO, your comment supports the fact that single owner builder of the whole machine is superior because you don't run into the implementation and/or support issues.

No one machine tool builder is the best at everything or to put it into terms your one track Okuma mind can understand; your beloved Okuma cannot be all things to all people no matter how badly you want it to be so. That is why companies like Nakamura-Tome, Yasda, GROB, Kitamura, Hermle, Matsuura, SNK, MCM, Biglia, Mikron, etc... exist. These are singularly focused builders not distracted by building hundreds or thousands of machine models and configurations. THAT is a superior builder IMHO.



So, if you think Okuma's choice is superior ALL those other machine tool builder's choices... (Heidenhein, Siemens, and FANUC for controls)... you're entitled to your opinion but those are some of the mest machine tool builders on the planet.

I spent a bunch of hours on an Okuma Mill last year in support of a turn-key we were doing... that Okuma control... she's not the hot super-model you think she is. I found the Siemens better than the Okuma from a navigation standpoint honestly, and I've probably only got 500-ish hours on the Siemens. Spend a few hundred hours on other controls then evaluate.  I was trained by a guy that had over 10 years on Okumas so he was no rookie. He knew about every navigation and function question I had. I judged that machine and it's interface it on it's own merits not based on what it was or what it wasn't. Perhaps if you spent some  meaningful time in front of other controls you may see that each one has some pluses and some minuses. Speaking of which, I'm about to pay for some time on a Heidenhein in the next month or so. I probably can't get as much time as I got on the OSP, or as much time as I have on Siemens, but I'll take whatever I can get. Why? So I can evaluate those plusses and minuses.

[YoDoug]

^ Triggered!

[YoDoug]

And here is a pic of the new Okuma control..... Looks nice doesn't it!

[neurosis]

How difficult is it to learn an Okuma control for someone who's spend a majority of their time on Fanuc? 

[YoDoug]

How difficult is it to learn an Okuma control for someone who's spend a majority of their time on Fanuc? 

Easy if you are open to change. But that goes for most controls. If you are willing to learn most can be learned fairly easy. It's the old stubborn guys that don't want to learn new controls that make distributor AE life difficult.

[CNCAppsJames]

Matsuura with FANUC's iHMI interface - their latest.

Functions that were once buried behind soft-key menus and sub menus, and sub-sub menus... now available usually with 1-3 touches depending on what category is active and how many items are on that menu (MACHINING, SETUP, or MAINTENANCE). 3 touches if you have to change categories and scroll down to see your desired function if it's not immediately visible.

Users can create their own categories much like a computer user creates his/her own user profile on a common work station, the same can be done here.



This FANUC touch panel interface has been the norm for quite some time. It's the 2nd generation touch panel offered by Matsuura. The 1st Generation was FANUC's Panel i interface.

Along with the GUI Renishaw iHMI Set and Inspect make things much easier for new users.



Fill in the blanks. Position the probe. Send It.

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[CNCAppsJames]

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