Matsuura MX330

[CNCAppsJames]

^ Triggered!

That's your response to a reasoned position? No wonder you're stuck in Okuma land. That's the only forest that exists for you.

Good to know.

[YoDoug]

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Nice to see Fanuc catching up. Okuma has had a Renishaw GUI for over a decade.

[CNCAppsJames]

Nice to see Fanuc catching up. Okuma has had a Renishaw GUI for over a decade.

So has FANUC. Just because YOU didn't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't been there.

[YoDoug]

So has FANUC. Just because YOU didn't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't been there.

LOL, The first time I remember working with a custom Renishaw GUI in a Fanuc was an 18i on a hardinge mill in probably 2010 or 2011. I have adequate experience with Fanuc and I know what they are capable of. You are just so easily triggered by your Fanuc fanboi lifetime cub membership that I can't resist trolling.

That and Okuma's are still easier to use and far more powerful. For me the real proof is the difference in the Okuma API versus Fanuc Focas libraries. The Okuma .NET is so simple even someone like me with minimal programming experience can write simple C# applications for things like data sharing with robots/plcs and our own custom cell controller software. It can be done with the focas libraries as well, but it is extremely complicated and takes way more code to do the same thing. Focas libraries have archaic bit and index calls versus named labels that make sense in the Okuma. It feels like looking at 20+ year old PLC ladder code with fixed data tables versus modern tagname based ladder logic.

[MIL-TFP-41]

And here is a pic of the new Okuma control..... Looks nice doesn't it!

Looks like DMG/Mori Celos takeoff. Fuck that control.

All controls being discussed have their pluses/minus's. Biggest challenge end users have anymore is getting operators. Then training an operator. Having a similar platform within a department is WAY more valuable than brand X over brand Y. And different MTB putting their own HMI's on top of a control doesn't make things easier. And same MTB's using different HMI's depending if its a "new" models or one that is mature.

Example - we bought 3 new Matsuura's in a 6 month period last year. Not one of them shares the same HMI. Training an operator across 3 platforms is a pain in the ass. Thankfully they are similar. Throw in an odd duck like a Siemens or OSP the challenge becomes greater. You wind up with operators that are unwilling or unable to run a machine.

Might as well be arguing about which CAM system is better. The best one will always be the one you are most familiar with. 

[JParis]

"Standardisation is a wonderful thing, if only people would do it"

Would 50 and counting Mazaks and no other controls count? 

[CNCAppsJames]

FOCAS is merely one method to accomplish tasks such as the ones you outlined. There are at least 3 other FANUC software tools available for developers that I am aware of and I know about 🤏 that much.

Your world is Okuma. Mine is FANUC for the most part. You're an Okuma Gan Boi, I'm a FANUC Fan Boi. I have to be. I owe it to my customers that spend SERIOUS money on a machine tool with us. You... you choose that life. 

[YoDoug]

Looks like DMG/Mori Celos takeoff. Fuck that control.

All controls being discussed have their pluses/minus's. Biggest challenge end users have anymore is getting operators. Then training an operator. Having a similar platform within a department is WAY more valuable than brand X over brand Y. And different MTB putting their own HMI's on top of a control doesn't make things easier. And same MTB's using different HMI's depending if its a "new" models or one that is mature.

Example - we bought 3 new Matsuura's in a 6 month period last year. Not one of them shares the same HMI. Training an operator across 3 platforms is a pain in the ass. Thankfully they are similar. Throw in an odd duck like a Siemens or OSP the challenge becomes greater. You wind up with operators that are unwilling or unable to run a machine.

Might as well be arguing about which CAM system is better. The best one will always be the one you are most familiar with. 

That was my first thought, kind of looks like a CELOS. I agree with the operator training sentiment, that is partially why we have all Okuma's here. Unless we need a machine type that Okuma doesn't make, a swiss for example, it would be a tough sell for something else.

As far as arguing about CAM software, not much of an argument if you use TopSolid  . Everyone else can argue over second place, or "first loser" as Ricky Bobby likes to say.

[YoDoug]

FOCAS is merely one method to accomplish tasks such as the ones you outlined. There are at least 3 other FANUC software tools available for developers that I am aware of and I know about 🤏 that much.

Your world is Okuma. Mine is FANUC for the most part. You're an Okuma Gan Boi, I'm a FANUC Fan Boi. I have to be. I owe it to my customers that spend SERIOUS money on a machine tool with us. You... you choose that life.

Okuma has an open API with free downloadable SDK that anyone with minimum experience can get and start developing with. Fanuc requires you to buy software packages and often requires additional hardware to support. Big difference.

As far as being an Okuma Fanboi, I'm more of an anti Fanuc guy. The same goes for Robots. Other builders have way more friendly and easier to use robot controls and languages. I will admit, I have not ran a fanuc with the newer iHMI interface. That could change my perception.

[JParis]

Only if all buttons are in the same place and there's control compatibility

In the next 12-18 months all will be the Smooth X control.....final ones already on order

[Here's Johnny!]

Would 50 and counting Mazaks and no other controls count? 

Time to change that shit!!!! 

[Jeff]

How difficult is it to learn an Okuma control for someone who's spend a majority of their time on Fanuc? 

Easy.
The hardest thing is that you would have to re-learn where everything is.
And for basic programming, the only real difference is G15H1 replaces G54, and G56H1 replaces G43H1.
The common variables on the OSP are awesome too. Kinda like Macros on Fanuc but for me a lot easier to use and understand.
I ran Fanuc for the first 15 years (just the 0M and the 0T controls) I know them, I'm just not too fond of them after running Okuma for the last 15 years.
Our new Hyundai mill has the new IHMI Fanuc control, it's really nice. But still some things like editing and whatnot are still cumbersome compared to Okuma.
But I'm not the guy with the wallet, I'll program and run whatever my boss buys.

[JParis]

Time to change that shit!!!! 

Hey, we can get any machine we want....

So long as it's a Mazak....

[Jeff]

And here is a pic of the new Okuma control..... Looks nice doesn't it!

The only thing that scares me about that is the handwheel. The ones they've had for years are borderline perfect and can easily operate.
The new ones look far less ergonomic and appear to have that stupid safety feature. I would smash that with a hammer if I could.

[YoDoug]

The only thing that scares me about that is the handwheel. The ones they've had for years are borderline perfect and can easily operate.
The new ones look far less ergonomic and appear to have that stupid safety feature. I would smash that with a hammer if I could.

I certainly hope they don't have that stupid deadman's button. I worked on some Hardinge machines that had those buttons on the handwheel that made it impossible to operate one handed.