Trump and 18 allies charged in Georgia election meddling

[Jim at Gentex]

That's obvious.

Aug4th and 5th, Wray appears before the Senate on the crackhead's laptop, NY Post article reports chinese ties to hunter at the WH.
Aug 8th... FBI raids Trump's home.

March 30th whistleblower talks, and House hearing on the weaponization of the Federal Gov't
March 30th.. Trump indicted by NY grand jury.

June 8th FBI document says PedoJoe was paid $5M by Burisma exec for a bribe.
June 9th Jack Smith charges Trump with 37 felonies

July 26th Crackhead's plea deal falls apart
July 27th Another Trump indictment

July 31st Devin Archer testifies
Aug 1st Another Trump indictment.

Yep.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

"I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL BIDEN!!!" 

[mkd]

Yawn. it's only a tuesday.

[gcode]

those 600$ checks ain't gonna cut it anymore

$600 pffft!!!
they take more than that out of my paycheck in taxes every week

[Incogneeto]

I dunno, seems to me a whole lot of people need to look up the legal definition of "conspiracy"

I don't know??

Trump made a phone call to Zelensky before the 2020 election.

"Russian Collusion"

[mkd]

What are the chance of a change of venue for any of these Kangaroo courts?
what are the chances the Jury won't be stacked with crusaders?

[gcode]

What are the chance of a change of venue for any of these Kangaroo courts?
what are the chances the Jury won't be stacked with crusaders?

they don't make numbers that small

[Jon@NOWHERE]

the don't make numbers that small

I don't know, .0005^200 gets pretty close...

[neurosis]

What are the chances that one of his 'conspirators' rolls on him for a lighter sentence?

[beej]

interesting article on the Georgia charges

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-indictment-four-too-much

Liberals wonder if it's too much:

TRUMP INDICTMENT FOUR: TOO MUCH. The MSNBC coverage of Trump Indictment Four, running late Monday night into early Tuesday morning, had an odd undertone. The network's stars had gathered for the Big Event, but something seemed just a little wrong. They seemed like children who had gotten much more than they asked for for Christmas: a little overwhelmed and confused. They were happy, of course, but worried it might be too much.

At about the same time, a liberal Washington Post columnist was expressing misgivings about Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis's indictment alleging a vast conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. Willis is "well within her legal rights to bring the case under state law," Ruth Marcus wrote. "Whether that prosecution is advisable, in the wake of federal charges arising out of the same conduct, is a tougher question — one about which I have misgivings."

The headline of Marcus's column was "Is Georgia's case against Trump one case too many?" Marcus certainly approves of indicting former President Donald Trump, even of having multiple indictments as insurance against an unexpected hung jury or acquittal — can't risk Trump getting off! But after the Georgia case, she confessed to a certain "queasiness" and could not see a limiting principle. "There is a concern about piling on here," she wrote. "Why stop at Georgia? The federal indictment sets out conduct in six other states in which Trump and his co-conspirators allegedly sought to overturn the election results. Will he be prosecuted in those states too? At some point, it becomes unfair — yes, even to Trump, to go state by state."

the reason for the Trump "false" electors

Look at one person charged in connection with that matter: David Shafer, who at the time of the 2020 election was head of the state Republican Party. The following is adapted from a newsletter I wrote in January 2022, when criminal charges for this incident seemed remote at best:

In the days and weeks after Nov. 3, 2020, Trump filed a lot of election lawsuits. Nearly all of them failed, some immediately and some over time. Among the lawsuits Trump filed was one challenging the results of the presidential election in Georgia.

Dec. 14, 2020, was an important day in the process. That was the day the Electoral College was required by law to meet in the states and approve slates of electors. Those would then be sent to Washington, where Congress would certify them on Jan. 6, 2021. On Dec. 14, in the states President Joe Biden won, including Georgia, electors for Biden met to formalize their votes.

But at that time, there was still a Trump lawsuit pending in Georgia. Some Trump supporters' thinking went like this: The election is not finally settled. What if Trump were to win the suit and a judge were to throw out Biden's victory? You might view this as a fantasy — indeed, it was — but in some cases, Trump supporters thought they had a strong legal case that would prevail if only a judge would hear it. In the event that a court threw out Biden's victory, Trump would need a slate of electors to cast electoral votes for him. And by law, the electors had to have voted on Dec. 14. If Trump won the case and a state's results were thrown out and Trump had no electors, then the whole election challenge would be a waste.

So in Georgia, as well as a few other states, at the urging of lawyers working in tandem with the Trump campaign, Trump supporters in Georgia decided to choose electors on Dec. 14 on a contingency basis. That is, the electors would be selected, and if, at a later date, Trump prevailed in court and Biden's electors were disqualified, the Trump electors would be presented to Congress on Jan. 6. There was no realistic chance of that happening, but many of the Trump supporters were not ready to give up.

Shafer publicly announced the Republicans' intention. He invited the press to cover the meeting at which "electors" were chosen. He tweeted about it when it happened. There were news accounts of it. "We were told by the lawyers that if the Republican nominees for the Electoral College did not meet on Dec. 14 and cast their votes, then Trump's lawsuit would be mooted because there would be no remedy available to him if he prevailed," Shafer told me in January 2022. "So we met to preserve his remedies if he prevailed."

[gcode]

The shit going on in Georgia would make a tinpot banana republic dictator blush.
TDS has turned the Democratic party into a pack of fascist black shirts.

[beej]

more liberals questioning the Georgia charges:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/08/16/trump-indictment-jack-smith-georgia-00111389

The indictment, which alleges that Trump participated in a criminal scheme to change the outcome of the election in Georgia in 2020, is nearly 100 pages long — more than twice as long as Justice Department special counsel Jack Smith's latest indictment. Willis' case also includes far more co-defendants — 18 — than any of the other cases, including big names like Mark Meadows and Rudy Giuliani. And the prosecution seems to deploy a more aggressive legal theory by using as its linchpin the state's Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act — a name that tends to conjure up images in the public mind of high-profile mob takedowns and the like.

All of this might lead you to believe that this case will now become the center of prosecutorial gravity in the Trump legal universe headed into the 2024 election, but that would probably be a mistake.

[neurosis]

more liberals questioning the Georgia charges:

The politico article didn't read like anyone was questioning the charges?

It was more pointing out that this case will take a back seat to the Jack Smith cases during the 2024 election. It's going to take a lot longer to get all of their ducks in a row.

[pmartin]

The politico article didn't read like anyone was questioning the charges?

It was more pointing out that this case will take a back seat to the Jack Smith cases during the 2024 election. It's going to take a lot longer to get all of their ducks in a row.

Imagine 19 defense lawyers cross-examining a witness for the prosecution one after another. It's really going to feel like a kangaroo court.

[mkd]

I read that 'removal' can move state trail to Fed court. might be cute if trump draws a judge he appointed. Seems fair enough for this sewer show.
 Is anyone talking about discovery in this case? Can the actual maleficence of election stealing make it's way into a court?

[RobertELee]

One of the latest charges is that he Tweeted "Georgia hearings now on @OANN. Amazing!"

Apparently telling people to watch a television channel is illegal and freedom of speech is gone now.