Joe won't go

[neurosis]

A strong American middle class is not necessarily the highest profit for them. Like wise the politicians want absolute control. They don't want to have to win elections and no voter is more reliable than one dependent of gov.

What you're talking about is dissolving the middle class. Then who do they take the money from to redistribute to an entire population of poor people?  Themselves?

I'm not sure you're not on the right track?  I mean, it looks like that's the direction we're headed.

[beej]

Our ideology has evolved from seeing the failures of liberal politics. We don't want insane taxes like California. We don't want to give illegals free healthcare and education. We don't want liberal governments mandating EV's. We don't want protests where public property is vandalized. We don't want women killing babies because of inconvenience. We don't want to be forced to use certain pronouns for people who don't know what sex they are. We don't want liberal presidents forgiving student loans. We don't want workers lives uprooted over climate issues that historically happen. We don't want people voting who are not willing to show identification. We don't want to make Iran stronger by giving them money. I could go on about the difference there is between us.

keep going, Del we're all rooting for ya.

[RobertELee]

Our ideology has evolved from seeing the failures of liberal politics. We don't want insane taxes like California. We don't want to give illegals free healthcare and education. We don't want liberal governments mandating EV's. We don't want protests where public property is vandalized. We don't want women killing babies because of inconvenience. We don't want to be forced to use certain pronouns for people who don't know what sex they are. We don't want liberal presidents forgiving student loans. We don't want workers lives uprooted over climate issues that historically happen. We don't want people voting who are not willing to show identification. We don't want to make Iran stronger by giving them money. I could go on about the difference there is between us.

And a libtards reply

*We don't want mean tweets!!!!*

[YoDoug]

What you're talking about is dissolving the middle class. Then who do they take the money from to redistribute to an entire population of poor people?  Themselves?

I'm not sure you're not on the right track?  I mean, it looks like that's the direction we're headed.

First, let's look at single family home ownership. If they can drive people out of their houses by making it too expensive to buy/keep, then they can buy them and rent them back to you. Instead of you building wealth, they will have the asset and rental income.

Next look at consumer products. You can only eat out so much. You can only wear out so many clothes. You will only buy so many gadgets, etc. This is where gov and basic universal income comes in. The big corps will pay taxes, but it will be redistributed to more people to make more consumption.

The old saying that the middle class drives the economy applies to much different economy. The new economy is based on consumption. The more consumers they can create, the more they profit. When I say end the middles class, it's end it as we know it today. Yes there will always be a class of people that are slightly more educated/skilled and earn slightly more than the poor. That is the carrot they dangle to keep people motivated and participating in the system. However it won't be the old American dream of owning a home and having savings. The new American dream of middle class will be you can afford to rent a little bit better house/car and have more discretionary spending money to consume.

[Jim at Gentex]

I think Del's summary is right on point. 

[Incogneeto]

So much Bullshit.

If you want a house work for it.

Put down the $1200 phone quit buying video games and yes work two jobs.

Quit buying starbucks.

save your money.

No you will not have the Billionaires money.

Make your own no one is stopping you.

and ain't nobody gonna give it to you. Especially .Gov.

But I wanna live in Seattle or Portland. well than you pay their prices.

quit bitchin about how much they charge.

If I can a $250,000 home you can buy a $65,000 home work it.

a certain individual I know. Busted his ass and got his B.S. and from what I hear is doin' pert good.

While he was workin'

as with most of you.

We worked hard. I'm not rich but I am happy.

I don't care if Elon has a Yacht.

He earned it he bought it. Non a my Biz.

We got a guy that trips to the Philippines and dives for fun.

Who gave him that.?

So shut up get to work and earn what you want.

And quit voting for Id10t's that promise you free stuff.

[Jim at Gentex]

And quit voting for Id10t's that promise you free stuff.

All good points, but this says it all.

Appealing to the lowest common denominators of our society is a tried-and-true method of getting elected.
Sadly I don't see that changing anytime soon...

[gcode]

Coup upon Coup upon Coup
Victor Davis Hansen

Victor Davis Hanson
American Greatness

In March 2020, all the major Democratic primary candidates abruptly, mysteriously, and in near unison withdrew from the presidential race, ceding the nomination to Joe Biden.

Yet Biden had lost the first three races in Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada—and only won his first victory in South Carolina.

Suddenly, on the eve of the Super Tuesday mega-primaries, the candidacies of front-runner Bernie Sanders, Pete Buttigieg, Elizabeth Warren, and others simply evaporated.

The fear of a front-runner Sanders' socialist victory and nomination—and thus an enviable landslide loss to incumbent Donald Trump in the general election—had prompted the donor class and shadowy political insiders to act.

And they did so by choosing a perceived moderate, old Joe Biden from Scranton. That required the coerced departures of all his far-left rivals, who had hitherto performed much better than Biden in the primaries.

Now front-runner Biden still displayed obvious symptoms of serious cognitive decline that had only seemed to mount through the 2020 campaign. And his dementia continued to accelerate during his first three years as president.

Biden had deceitfully promised to conduct a healing campaign and a unifying presidency. But once in the White House, his extreme agendas proved the most divisive and far-left in nearly a century.

Rumors of that prior March 2020 Faustian bargain emerged. The Bidens got to serve as useful moderate veneers. So, they enjoyed the ceremonial functions of the presidency while outsourcing the real operations to former Obama officials, consultants, and advisors.

Indeed, Obama did not, as most ex-presidents do, exit Washington upon leaving the White House. Instead, he bought a mansion and stayed close by.

Democrats demonized anyone critical of Biden's obvious mental decline. Their smearing crested during Biden's now-aborted 2024 reelection bid, even as Biden could no longer display even a veneer of mental and physical engagement.

Polls revealed an impending Trump landslide victory in November—and a massive Democratic loss of Congress.

So suddenly on a Sunday, July 21—just days left before state ballots were formalized with the names of the parties' official nominees, and on the eve of the Democratic convention—party bosses, mega-donors, and Obama puppeteers went into action for yet a third time.

They reportedly threatened candidate Biden with a complete loss of any further campaign funding and raised the specter of invoking the 25th Amendment to end his presidency—should he not suddenly withdraw from the race and endorse Vice President Kamala Harris as his surrogate on the ticket.

In one moment, the choices of nearly 15 million Biden primary voters were vitiated. No delegates were consulted. No other alternative Democrat candidates were even considered.

Biden was dethroned; Harris was coronated—without much public input or even knowledge of how or why.

Democrat grandees stopped smearing Biden's conservative critics, who had worried over his dementia. Instead, they now trumped opposition criticism of Biden's decline.

Yet Biden most certainly did not resign his presidency. Instead, he promised to serve out his remaining six months in office.

So Democrat insiders not only removed their leading candidate, who for the prior six months had won all the 2024 primaries and almost all the delegates, but insisted that Biden keep Democrats and himself in power—but only if he agreed to quit the race.

In sum, at the 11th hour of a two-year reelection effort, a cabal arbitrarily decided that Joe Biden might well lose the Democrats the White House and the Congress.

So, they reversed course, now claiming his dementia was so acute as to destroy their November prospects. But mysteriously, his decline was not severe enough to imperil the American people, whom Biden must continue to lead until January 20, 2025.

Furthermore, the bosses' replacement choice, Vice President Kamala Harris, had entered no primary. She never won a single delegate. Harris also never captured a single delegate in her first and only presidential run back in 2020. She then dropped out of the race even before the first Iowa and New Hampshire balloting.

We have now witnessed three left-wing veritable coups.

In 2020, covert actors decided to ossify the Democratic primary races. Next, they conferred the nomination on a clearly cognitively challenged Joe Biden. He was now tasked with serving as a useful moderate vessel for a virtual, even more radical, Obama third term.

The same operators next assumed virtual control of Biden's presidential agenda, given his accelerating cognitive decline.

When that charade could no longer be sustained, for a third time, they circumvented the normal transparent democratic process.

So, they removed the once useful but now a liability Biden—while insisting that he was still fit enough to keep the left in power—until the anticipated Harris victory in November.

And all of this was the shadow work of those who sanctimoniously lectured America that "democracy dies in darkness."

[YoDoug]

So much Bullshit.

If you want a house work for it.

Put down the $1200 phone quit buying video games and yes work two jobs.

Quit buying starbucks.

save your money.

No you will not have the Billionaires money.

Make your own no one is stopping you.

and ain't nobody gonna give it to you. Especially .Gov.

But I wanna live in Seattle or Portland. well than you pay their prices.

quit bitchin about how much they charge.

If I can a $250,000 home you can buy a $65,000 home work it.

a certain individual I know. Busted his ass and got his B.S. and from what I hear is doin' pert good.

While he was workin'

as with most of you.

We worked hard. I'm not rich but I am happy.

I don't care if Elon has a Yacht.

He earned it he bought it. Non a my Biz.

We got a guy that trips to the Philippines and dives for fun.

Who gave him that.?

So shut up get to work and earn what you want.

And quit voting for Id10t's that promise you free stuff.

Look up some graphs of median income versus food, home prices, healthcare costs, etc over time and you will see each successive generation has a bigger hurdle to overcome. In the meantime the wealth gap grows exponentially. Saying you just need to work harder and sacrifice more is not sustainable. The percentage of houses owned by big corps has exploded in recent years. This is not because people don't want to own homes, it's because the cost to income ratio has grown to big.

The all or nothing blanket defense of capitalism is what will lead to socialism/communism. We don't live in a free market capitalist economy. We live in a corporatocracy. When you defend that system you are defending the corporations buying of politicians to keep laws in their favor, not yours. Yes, capitalism has shown to be one of the greatest systems of economic governance, but that's not our reality. Spouting conservative capitalistic cliches is an ignorant fantasy clinging to an America that is long gone.

[neurosis]

Look up some graphs of median income versus food, home prices, healthcare costs, etc over time and you will see each successive generation has a bigger hurdle to overcome.

That's too difficult and requires too much thought. It's much simpler to post cliche's. Me Republican, Me good.  You Democrat, You bad.    

[Incogneeto]

Look up some graphs of median income versus food, home prices, healthcare costs, etc over time and you will see each successive generation has a bigger hurdle to overcome. In the meantime the wealth gap grows exponentially. Saying you just need to work harder and sacrifice more is not sustainable. The percentage of houses owned by big corps has exploded in recent years. This is not because people don't want to own homes, it's because the cost to income ratio has grown to big.

The all or nothing blanket defense of capitalism is what will lead to socialism/communism. We don't live in a free market capitalist economy. We live in a corporatocracy. When you defend that system you are defending the corporations buying of politicians to keep laws in their favor, not yours. Yes, capitalism has shown to be one of the greatest systems of economic governance, but that's not our reality. Spouting conservative capitalistic cliches is an ignorant fantasy clinging to an America that is long gone.

Thats Bullshit and Graphs.

They a ho buncha Murrica left.

Reality is Hard work and smarts pays off.

Ain't no place you can't make it.

It all comes down to you.

[Incogneeto]

[Incogneeto]

P.S. You want a Mercedes.

[gcode]

If you want a house work for it.

Put down the $1200 phone quit buying video games and yes work two jobs.

Quit buying starbucks.

save your money.

No you will not have the Billionaires money.

Make your own no one is stopping you.

I was in my late 30's when I got my first credit card.
I didn't apply for it, it just showed up in the mail one day
Sadly, I was not smart enough to shred the damn thing and had to learn a hard lesson
the hard way.
I was in my mid 40's and had 10 years of house payments under my belt when I bought my first new vehicle.
I've been putting 25% of my paycheck in a 401K since 2002 and have not touched a penny of it.

[neurosis]

I was in my late 30's when I got my first credit card.
I didn't apply for it, it just showed up in the mail one day
Sadly, I was not smart enough to shred the damn thing and had to learn a hard lesson
the hard way.
I was in my mid 40's and had 10 years of house payments under my belt when I bought my first new vehicle.
I've been putting 25% of my paycheck in a 401K since 2002 and have not touched a penny of it.

I think I was 19 when I got my first CC.  My bank gave it to me for overdraft protection.  Within a few months I had that thing maxed out. 

A few years later I got in a car accident. This was before they mandated vehicle insurance so I didn't have any. I totaled 4 vehicles including my own. 

I spent the next six years paying off all of that debt.  I burned my credit card and stopped buying anything on Credit.

Now, I don't buy anything on Credit other than a vehicle and home.  I learned the hard way that debt sucks. I don't owe a dime on my vehicles right now and my Condo will be paid off at the end of this year and I'll be debt free.  Unless there is some medical disaster.