Joe won't go

[neurosis]

We will have to agree to disagree. They are just angry rants mostly based on false information.

I'm willing to lend the ear.  I don't think that they are all angry rants?  I don't know that he wasn't angry or wasn't ranting?   

I live in a State that is mandating EV by 2035.  We don't have the infrastructure for it with no plan to implement it. That isn't denying climate change, it's acknowledging that there isn't a plan in place.

Some of the things he's talking about are legit criticisms and not just angry rants?

I agree pronouns are dumb. I don't get 'em. I don't understand the vitriol though.

I don't either.

[neurosis]

I don't know how much Del has looked in to any of this so?

[RobertELee]

I didn't reply earlier because I spent a nice day at the Children's farmstead with my grand kids and then happy hour with my ex co workers. But I'm home now with time to relax. So I would reply:

#1 Don't move to California. Problem solved.
#2 Illegals don't get free federal assistance. You're being lied to.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2023

"Many illegal aliens actually receive a net cash profit through refundable tax credit programs."

#3 The world is changing. Climate change is real. You should get real too.

Climate changes ALL THE TIME, since the beginning of time. Scientists are paid to say climate change is a threat they dont get grant money otherwise, been saying it for 40+ years, yet the oceans haven't moved an inch.


#4 You seem to be OK with J6. Curious.

Bunch of idiots toured the capitol, whoopty doo. You gonna say anything about the ones that stormed it yesterday?

#5 Mind your own fkn business. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. You're not a fkn doctor, Trump isn't a
  fkn doctor, the supreme court aren't fkn doctors, and your Republican representatives aren't fkn doctors.
  If you have a religious problem, move to a country with a theocracy.

I don't give a shit about someone having an abortion, I don't want my tax money paying for morons that can't keep their legs together however.

#6 I doubt any pronouns really affect you in the real world. They don't affect me. So what the fk are you so
  upset about? Just treat people the way you want to be treated and everything will be fine.

They will affect you when you miss gender someone and get fired for it(before you retired)[and yes I know someone it happened to, or get assaulted for it, etc. No matter what you say, its fucking easy to missgender people accidentally.

#7 Student loan policy needs to be fixed.

Yes, students should be taught/shown how much college is a scam, and how much it actually coats them

#8 Climate denier. Seek information to find out what's really happening. Even nuts acknowledge climate change
  is real. Trump didn't bring coal back the first term and it's not going to happen now either. He lied to
  you, you bought it.

They are lying to you, you're buying it



#9 Most states require voters to show identification. Which states don't?



#10 Iran started developing their nuclear energy program after Trump walked out of the treaty. It's OK to let
    them get stronger that way? Get real.

#11 I can do this all day long too (Captain America voice)

Basically your ideology isn't ideology at all. It's just a series of rants that aren't based on reality. Try to do better. You'll have to change the channel to do so.

[beej]

Smit, it looks like you might be wrong about#2 https://www.nilc.org/issues/economic-support/overview-immeligfedprograms/#:~:text=Federal%20Public%20Benefits%20Generally%20Denied,paid%20for%20by%20federal%20funds.

The law includes important exceptions for certain types of services. Regardless of their immigration status, not-qualified immigrants are eligible for emergency Medicaid [22] if they are otherwise eligible for their state's Medicaid program.[23] The law does not restrict access to public health programs that provide immunizations and/or treatment of communicable disease symptoms (whether or not those symptoms are caused by such a disease). School breakfast and lunch programs remain open to all children regardless of immigration status, and every state has opted to provide access to the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC).[24]

Short-term noncash emergency disaster assistance remains available without regard to immigration status. Also exempt from the restrictions are other in-kind services necessary to protect life or safety, as long as no individual or household income qualification is required. In 2001, the U.S. attorney general published a final order specifying the types of benefits that meet these criteria. The attorney general's list includes child and adult protective services; programs addressing weather emergencies and homelessness; shelters, soup kitchens, and meals-on-wheels; medical, public health, and mental health services necessary to protect life or safety; disability or substance abuse services necessary to protect life or safety; and programs to protect the life or safety of workers, children and youths, or community residents.[25]

Verification Rules
When a federal agency designates a program as a federal public benefit foreclosed to not-qualified immigrants, the law requires the state or local agency to verify the immigration and citizenship status of all program applicants. However, many federal agencies have not specified which of their programs provide federal public benefits. Until they do, state and local agencies that administer the programs are not obligated to verify the immigration status of people who apply for them.

And under an important exception contained in the 1996 immigration law, nonprofit charitable organizations are not required to "determine, verify, or otherwise require proof of eligibility of any applicant for such benefits." This exception relates specifically to the immigrant benefits restrictions in the 1996 welfare and immigration laws.[26]

Eligibility for Major Federal Benefit Programs
Congress restricted eligibility even for many qualified immigrants by distinguishing between those who entered the U.S. before or "on or after" the date the law was enacted, August 22, 1996. The law barred most immigrants who entered the U.S. on or after that date from "federal means-tested public benefits" during the five years after they secure qualified immigrant status[27] This waiting period is often referred to as the five-year bar. Federal agencies clarified that the "federal means-tested public benefits" are Medicaid (except for emergency services), CHIP, TANF, SNAP, and SSI.[28]

You're wrong about more than that but I'm feeling lazy this evening.

[Smit]

I live in a State that is mandating EV by 2035.  We don't have the infrastructure for it with no plan to implement it. That isn't denying climate change, it's acknowledging that there isn't a plan in place.

I don't pay much attention to what's going on in Washington State but if there really is no plan it's going to be a disaster.

I believe federal policy is mandating 50% of cars are EV by 2030, which seems pretty aggressive. I don't know if hybrids are included in that.

And the feds signed the "bipartisan infrastructure law" in 2021 which will provide money for infrastructure, including charging stations for EVs. Maybe Washington Gov is hoping for that to help?

[Elmer Fudd]

I think we all owe Smit a debt of gratitude for his authentic frontier liberal gibberish!

I think that Smit did a great job of debating your points 1 by 1. I can understand him a lot better than Newbeeee and his sayings.

[RobertELee]

And the feds signed the "bipartisan infrastructure law" in 2021 which will provide money for infrastructure, including charging stations for EVs. Maybe Washington Gov is hoping for that to help?

They've built 7 (SEVEN) charging stations with that money, and cost us $7.5 BILLION. It ain't making anything better.

[Smit]

I uNeRsTaNd WhY yOu LiKe To ReAd ThIs StUfF bUt NaH....

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) – Bias and Credibility

QUESTIONABLE SOURCE

A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no sourcing to credible information, a complete lack of transparency and/or is fake news. Fake News is the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for the purpose of profit or influence (Learn More). Sources listed in the Questionable Category may be very untrustworthy and should be fact-checked on a per-article basis. Please note sources on this list are not considered fake news unless specifically written in the reasoning section for that source. See all Questionable sources.

    Overall, we rate FAIR Questionable based on Extreme Right-Wing Bias as it relates to immigration, promotion of propaganda and conspiracies, as well as having connections to documented Hate Groups.

Detailed Report

Reasoning: Anti-Immigration Propaganda, Conspiracy Theories, Misleading Claims
Bias Rating: EXTREME RIGHT
Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
MBFC's Country Freedom Rating: MOSTLY FREE
Media Type: Organization/Foundation
Traffic/Popularity: Minimal Traffic
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

[CNCAppsJames]

I didn't reply earlier because I spent the day drinking Orange Haterade. But I'm home now with time to get my outrage on. So I would reply:

#1 Don't move to California. Problem solved.
#2 Illegals don't get free federal assistance. You're being lied to.
#3 The world is changing. Climate change is real. You should get real too.
#4 You seem to be OK with J6. Curious.
#5 Mind your own fkn business. Don't want an abortion, don't get one. You're not a fkn doctor, Trump isn't a
  fkn doctor, the supreme court aren't fkn doctors, and your Republican representatives aren't fkn doctors.
  If you have a religious problem, move to a country with a theocracy.
#6 I doubt any pronouns really affect you in the real world. They don't affect me. So what the fk are you so
  upset about? Just treat people the way you want to be treated and everything will be fine.
#7 Student loan policy needs to be fixed.
#8 Climate denier. Seek information to find out what's really happening. Even nuts acknowledge climate change
  is real. Trump didn't bring coal back the first term and it's not going to happen now either. He lied to
  you, you bought it.
#9 Most states require voters to show identification. Which states don't?
#10 Iran started developing their nuclear energy program after Trump walked out of the treaty. It's OK to let
    them get stronger that way? Get real.
#11 I can do this all day long too (Captain America voice)

Basically your ideology isn't ideology at all. It's just a series of rants that aren't based on reality. Try to do better. You'll have to change the channel to do so.

Free fiss and here we go...

#1 California's ideology doesn't magically stop at that state's borders. It permeates and infects Washington DC like a scorching case of herpes. The state accounts for ~18% of the occupants of Congress. Besides all that, I put my money where my mouth is, I GTFO Dodge and not a moment too soon.
#2 They may not get money directly from the Fed, however they consume resources (health, welfare and education) that ARE funded by the Federal Government so yes, they DO get Federal Assistance. In California alone, benefits and services provided to illegal aliens runs taxpayers ~$22.8  BILLION. If you add in children born to illegal aliens, that tacks on another ~$8.1 BILLION. That's just one state. (Figures sourced from Congressional Reports)
#3 You're absolutely right. The world IS changing... as it has been since it's creation. As I sit and type this reply, I'm sitting in  what used to be beach front property BITD. It may have even been a glacier at one point. Just because there is change does not mean we can do anything to stop it or reverse it. Man is SO full of hubris.
#4 J6... I'm OK with the protest outside the capitol. I'm OK with entering the rotunda since the doors were opened by law enforcement. I'm NOT OK with the violence. I'm not OK with the vandalism. I'm not OK with interrupting congressional proceedings.
#5 It's a state's rights issue. If one state wants to allow the murder of innocent children, so be it. If another state wants it outlaw the killing of innocent children, so be it.
#6 When someone is forced to address someone by something other than their name, that's a problem. Do I care what someone "identifies as"? No. You be you and leave me out of it.
#7 Don't want student loan debt? Don't sign on the dotted line. It IS that simple. You signed, you received, you owe. That's how debt works.
#8 Typical leftist drivel.
#9 California did not require an ID. Just state "your address" and here's your ballot. In Utah I was required to show ID.
#10 Iran started developing a secret uranium enrichment program in the 1980's. They imported key equipment and materials from from Pakistan and China.
#11 I can do this for the rest of my natural born life.

Basically your ideology isn't ideology at all. It's just a series of drug induced rants that are based ignorance. Try to do better. You'll have to grow some brain cells to do so though.

[Jeff]

lol climate change.
The dumbass probably wears a mask while driving alone in the car too.
If the U.S. stopped ALL emissions, every single atom of emissions, it wouldn't make a difference AT ALL.
Sure it's real, but not in the sense the fearmongers would have you believe. The climate has been changing for millions of years and it won't stop changing, it cannot be controlled.

Member when there was an ice age 2-1/2 million years ago? Yeah how much did manmade global climate change contribute to that?

[Del.]

I think that Smit did a great job of debating your points 1 by 1. I can understand him a lot better than Newbeeee and his sayings.

That's fine Elmer. I'm not trying to make anyone agree with my conservative ideology and it wasn't up for debate.

[Del.]

So I guess the over 10 million illegals never go the hospital or school once they come here or pay cash for a surgery and homeschool.

[RobertELee]

So I guess the over 10 million illegals never go the hospital or school once they come here or pay cash for a surgery and homeschool.

Also, who's paying for the $600/night hotels they're staying in? The food they eat? Their cellphones?

[Del.]

I didn't even mention Jan 6. I was referring to the other protest from pro Hamas gatherings. Removing American flags with Palestine flags , spray painting that Hamas is coming. They should have fired bean bags at them. I never supported Jan 6.

I'll never step foot in California. They represent a Socialist state. Don't bring those ideas to my state.

[Jim at Gentex]

#9 Most states require voters to show identification. Which states don't?

Pennsylvania, for one.

Our State Legislature passed a Voter ID bill years ago, and our previous Democrat Governor vetoed it.
Their bullshit excuse was that it unfairly targeted minorities and poor folks who might not have the means to obtain ID's.

Yeah, let that sink in.
I am 1000% positive that minorities and poor people in PA have no trouble obtaining ID's when they need to file for state and federal benefits, yet that somehow infringes on their right to vote if we have the nerve to ask them to prove they are who they say they are.

In addition to applying for state or federal benefits, we have to show ID to buy alcohol, get on an airplane, or even pick up our online order at Home Depot.

But somehow showing ID to vote is some sacred cow to the leftists here in PA, which is also coincidentally a 'swing-state' in recent federal elections.