Tariffs for everyone!

Started by Smit, October 17, 2024, 07:19 AM

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Smit

Man, Trump sure is stuck on raising tariffs for everyone.

How many people think that's a great idea?
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RobertELee

Quote from: Smit on October 17, 2024, 07:19 AMMan, Trump sure is stuck on raising tariffs for everyone.

How many people think that's a great idea?

How many people think sending 90% of our manufacturing to other countries is a good idea?

If tariffs were so bad Biden and Kammy would have dropped them all on their first day in office.  :coffee:

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Del.

Quote from: Smit on October 17, 2024, 07:19 AMMan, Trump sure is stuck on raising tariffs for everyone.

How many people think that's a great idea?

The tariffs are a credible threat to keep jobs in the USA. When I see John Deere laying off workers and moving their jobs to Mexico after making billions in profits, I'm fine with imposing tariffs even though it hurts us short term.
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Jeff

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Quote from: RobertELee on October 17, 2024, 07:24 AMHow many people think sending 90% of our manufacturing to other countries is a good idea?

If tariffs were so bad Biden and Kammy would have dropped them all on their first day in office.  :coffee:


Shhh, Dumbsmit can't comprehend truth, logic and common sense.
Isn't it odd that they kept the tarriffs in place?  Weird!
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Jim at Gentex

From investopedia.com:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tariff.asp

For the TLDR folks,

QuoteThe Bottom Line
Tariffs have existed in one form or another for centuries. Trading partners implement them to politically influence a partner, protect domestic industries and consumers, and further national goals and interests.

Tariffs are not always negative, regardless of what you might see on the news. They can be a means to open negotiations again between trading partners, provide each a chance to voice concerns, and even help to stabilize a country's market.
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Smit

Quote from: Jim at Gentex on October 17, 2024, 08:11 AMFrom investopedia.com:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tariff.asp

For the TLDR folks,

Investopedia?!?! Bwahahahaha

J/K, Investopedia is fine. :)

Good article. When done wisely tariffs can be a useful tool.

Done unwisely, well, it's less than useful. Perhaps raising prices the same as inflation does, and perhaps starting "tariff" wars that make it hard to send exports to other countries and more expensive for everybody.

YoDoug

Tariffs are much like tax rate versus tax revenue. The government does not own and control business, both domestic and international. Taxes and regulations only affect the rate of business, that is a high taxes and high regulations slow commerce and GDP. Tariffs can be good or bad depending on what they are. Tariffs can slow the rate of international business and trade, but they can also help balance a trade imbalance. As Del stated, they can be a tool to deter bad actors like China from poor trade relations with us.

In this thread, Smit is just parroting Dem partisan talking points to try to smear Trump while offering no actual solution to the growing trade imbalance. Typical Dem BS to keep their low info, emotionally triggered supporters in full TDS mode.
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Jim at Gentex

Quote from: YoDoug on October 17, 2024, 08:18 AMTariffs can be good or bad depending on what they are. Tariffs can slow the rate of international business and trade, but they can also help balance a trade imbalance. As Del stated, they can be a tool to deter bad actors like China from poor trade relations with us.



I think that is Trump's reasoning as well.  :yes:
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Jeff

Quote from: YoDoug on October 17, 2024, 08:18 AMSmit is just parroting Dem partisan talking points to try to smear Trump while offering no actual solution

Gee, I'm shocked.

RobertELee

Tarifs that keep jobs, money, and industry in our country - BAD

Raising a gas tax that hurt your constituents by $.47/ gallon - GOOD.
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neurosis


Quote from: YoDoug on October 17, 2024, 08:18 AMIn this thread, Smit is just parroting Dem partisan talking points to try to smear Trump while offering no actual solution to the growing trade imbalance. Typical Dem BS to keep their low info, emotionally triggered supporters in full TDS mode.


What are the liberal talking points?
I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

beej

Quote from: Smit on October 17, 2024, 07:19 AMMan, Trump sure is stuck on raising tariffs for everyone.

How many people think that's a great idea?

this is an honest question, I don't mean it to be a gotcha question, but why do democrats complain about charging tariffs on big corporations, which are a tax, and complain about tax cuts for the same corporations?

The other thing I wonder about is this: Unions have been begging for these tariffs for years and fought hard against the free trade agreements. Now that Trump has done it, I'm surprised that democrats, like yourself, aren't all in on the idea?  It just seems to me, that if anything, you'd be a frustrated at the democrats because it was a republican who did it, instead of the democrat politicians that the unions pushed to get elected.
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Jeff

Quote from: beej on October 17, 2024, 09:14 AMbut why do democrats complain about charging tariffs on big corporations

Because the Democratic party is all about making big mega corporations and billionaires richer.
It's been that way for ass long as I can remember.

Jim at Gentex

Quote from: beej on October 17, 2024, 09:14 AM...instead of the democrat politicians that the unions pushed to get elected.


Until now.

Even the Teamsters who were always an automatic endorsement for the Democrats in Presidential elections realize that Harris is SO BAD as a candidate that they couldn't endorse her.

Internal polling showed Trump was favored by their rank-and-file members by an approximately 60 / 40 margin, so the national union leadership decided to endorse neither.

This may seem trivial, but it could be VERY telling when the whole country votes officially.  :yes:
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YoDoug

Quote from: neurosis on October 17, 2024, 09:14 AMWhat are the liberal talking points?


The general talking point is Trump bad. When pressed to offer a solution, turn it to Trump bad instead. Avoid intellectual conversation, use emotionally triggering language. Example, the MN Dems have signs all over southern MN saying "Save Social security and Medicare, Vote Democrat". they won't actually talk about their plans to do so, or how  they feel any opposition plan will destroy them. Only simply to elicit fear in their voters.
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