Dem pollster says we’re going to lose. Republican refutes!

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beej

Quote from: ghuns on November 06, 2024, 06:14 AMAs someone who leans Repub but has never liked Trump, it is my sincere hope that Dem Party leadership, their supporters in the media and pop culture, take this as an opportunity for some honest self reflection.

I do not like single party control at any level of .gov.

The Dems have the opportunity move back towards the center. To abandon policies and candidates that the overwhelming majority of Americans find crazy. To embrace merit and dismiss intersectionality points as their priority selection criteria.

Or, they can double down, as they did in 2016. They can bitterly cling to their belief that their losses are due to this being a fundamentally racist, misogynistic nation. They can continue to lecture and belittle vast swaths of the electorate. And, they can continue to lose.

The choice should be easy, but I doubt it will be.

The legacy media should be doing the same self examination.

The 2 logical explanations being:
1) The people weren't buying what we were selling
2) We should have done more to persuade them

CBS has already started saying, "we talked about inflation too much"  ::)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/cbs-panel-suggests-trump-won-due-to-media-focus-on-inflation-maybe-we-over-focused-on-grocery-prices/vi-AA1tBUgO?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds
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Del.

Most people aren't stupid. You can't avoid answering questions and expect people to vote for you
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CNCAppsJames

Quote from: Bucky Cornstarch on November 06, 2024, 05:51 AM...Voter turnout matters. As of a few minutes ago, Trump was at 71 million votes and Harris, 66 million. Last I checked, the US population was 335 million, with 262 million of voting age. That means Trump has the support of 27% of voting aged Americans, which is better than Harris' 25%.  Not quite the majority that you think it is, unless your math is different than what the rest of us use.

Either way, using the metrics we have available, it's more support than Harris has.

I am not for one second going to project the support/lack thereof of the 52% of remaining voting age adults... like you did/are.

I only know the vote counts. 2% more... is 2% more. Unless you're doing Democrat Budget math Bucky, then as the rest of us observant and thinking individuals all know, 2% more is is ackshully less... according to Democrats. :rofl:

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neurosis

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on November 06, 2024, 07:47 AM2% more... is 2% more.


There is just no way to rationalize away that more is just more no matter how you look at it.  :lol:

Hell, if someone would have asked me to bet against Trump winning the popular vote I would have taken that bet all day long.  And lost.   
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I'll go back to being a conservative, when conservatives go back to being conservative.

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Quote from: neurosis on November 06, 2024, 07:58 AMHell, if someone would have asked me to bet against Trump winning the popular vote I would have taken that bet all day long.  And lost. 


I said a couple of times a week or so ago that they are severely underestimating just how popular Trump is.
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Quote from: Jeff on November 06, 2024, 08:09 AMI said a couple of times a week or so ago that they are severely underestimating just how popular Trump is.

I don't know that Trumps popularity has changed since 2016. My takeaway from this was more in how unpopular Kamala is but that shouldn't come as too much of a surprise to anyone.

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Quote from: beej on November 06, 2024, 07:36 AMThe legacy media should be doing the same self examination.

The 2 logical explanations being:
1) The people weren't buying what we were selling
2) We should have done more to persuade them

CBS has already started saying, "we talked about inflation too much"  ::)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/cbs-panel-suggests-trump-won-due-to-media-focus-on-inflation-maybe-we-over-focused-on-grocery-prices/vi-AA1tBUgO?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds
My wife and I were flipping through all the media channels last night and we stopped on I think it was CBS... nah..... I don't remember, anyway the guy talking was an african-american gentleman, and he said something to the effect of .... you think you can come at a dude with all that lawfare, doin' him dirty since day one and black men in this nation aren't gonna take notice?

I thought that was an astute observation. :coffee:

Nearly all the liberal media outlets were banging the same sad drum even when it was crystal clear that THEIR candidate was the loser... "her path forward just got a little tighter but she could pull it off". :rofl:

Still very little to no culpability that their 100% negativity towards Trump and ANYONE associated with him AND their 100% in the bag for the whore except maybe for the final week or two when they FINALLY started to acknowledge out loud that her policies were problematic "to some".
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Quote from: neurosis on November 06, 2024, 08:19 AMI don't know that Trumps popularity has changed since 2016. My takeaway from this was more in how unpopular Kamala is but that shouldn't come as too much of a surprise to anyone.
She was disliked in Kommieforniastan, but because she was Willie Brown's plaything she got the deep support of the party. ANd when you have that, there, you're almost guaranteed wins.
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Jeff

Quote from: beej on November 06, 2024, 07:36 AMCBS has already started saying, "we talked about inflation too much"  ::)

They refuse to admit it.
It wasn't the inflation talk, it was the 8 years of Hitler, facist, nazi, racist, homophobe propaganda they spewed.
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beej

Quote from: Jeff on November 06, 2024, 08:32 AMThey refuse to admit it.
It wasn't the inflation talk, it was the 8 years of Hitler, facist, nazi, racist, homophobe propaganda they spewed.

exactly, they don't seem to comprehend that people already knew about inflation, from paying their bills each week. It's just unbelievable how people in the media think sometimes.
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Quote from: beej on November 06, 2024, 08:34 AMIt's just unbelievable how people in the media think sometimes.

Yes... I was watching MSNBC last night and some pontificating talking head was explaining to the panel
that the American people were too ignorant to understand just how great the Biden economy really is.
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CNCAppsJames

Quote from: beej on November 06, 2024, 08:34 AMexactly, they don't seem to comprehend that people already knew about inflation, from paying their bills each week. It's just unbelievable how people in the media think sometimes.
They believe THEY are THE arbiters of goings on. Like we don't recognize that literally EVERYTHING is double digits more expensive. Like we don;t notice our cities being overrun by criminals and illegal aliens. Like we don't notice shit's going sideways on our own.

The hubris of those idiots.
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