UHC Ceo assassinated

[MIL-TFP-41]

Anyone who thinks that the US health care system is the best has never had to work within the constraints of an insurance company. If you have the means to do everything out of pocket, I am sure it is the best. If you are like the rest of us, it is a fucking nightmare if you have to use it for anything other than preventive care.

My guess would be the assassin either got denied or a close relative got denied some essential care at the cost of a life or a lifetime of debt. Doesn't justify what he did, but holy shit I can relate to the frustration that would drive someone to do this.

[CNCAppsJames]

My most recent wait time was 4 days.

They seem to have really cut down the backlog. Several buddies wait times were also well under 2 weeks.

They were forced by congress to answer for their unnecessary and criminal wait times last year... rat bastards.

The wait time for my Hybrid 46M was ~297 days and the wait for my Switchback was another 35-ish days due to backorder.

I still cannot believe they are regulated items (suppressors). They should be be required to be on all long guns at bare minimum.  My .338LM unsupressed runs ~192dB. Suppressed comes in at a still spicy 135-ish dB.

[Smit]

Anyone who thinks that the US health care system is the best has never had to work within the constraints of an insurance company. If you have the means to do everything out of pocket, I am sure it is the best. If you are like the rest of us, it is a fucking nightmare if you have to use it for anything other than preventive care.

My guess would be the assassin either got denied or a close relative got denied some essential care at the cost of a life or a lifetime of debt. Doesn't justify what he did, but holy shit I can relate to the frustration that would drive someone to do this.

Yeah our health care system is the "best in the world" if you're either healthy or wealthy.

I expect you're right about the motives of the shooter. There might be an uptick in jobs for health insurance CEO body guards in the  near future. 

[Newbeeee™]

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[Newbeeee™]

Yeah our health care system is the "best in the world" if you're either healthy or wealthy.

Spainish health system (albeit private) is leagues better than NHS. I can walk in same day whereas in UK, my parents had 3 weeks for a Doctors phonecall and 6 weeks for appointment.
Everything I read, is US is appalling.
Although quality of specialists, can be FAR superior.

[CNCAppsJames]

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Everything I read, is US is appalling.
Although quality of specialists, can be FAR superior.

There are some things we do extraordinarily well at, and there are other things that we do that should be criminal.

All I know is since that abomination that goes by Barak Hussein Obama got involved in Health"care" the situation has become exponentially more expensive and the quality of what they call care has become exponentially worse.

Less Government > More Government

#ChangeMyMind

[neurosis]

I can walk in same day whereas in UK, my parents had 3 weeks for a Doctors phonecall and 6 weeks for appointment.
Everything I read, is US is appalling.

When I went to the ER over my blood pressure spiking a few years back they tried to schedule me to see a cardiologist. My wait time was 6 months. And that was after being sent to an ER.

Best health care in the world.   

Yes, it's appalling.  Unless your rich.

[CNCAppsJames]

When I went to the ER over my blood pressure spiking a few years back they tried to schedule me to see a cardiologist. My wait time was 6 months. And that was after being sent to an ER.

Best health care in the world.   

Yes, it's appalling.  Unless your rich.

I've found the care here in Utah seems to be better than it was in California. I still miss my California Doctor. He passed away last September. Anyway, what you get often times depends on the Group you're part of. When we first came to Utah, we were in some group (our choice) who's name escapes me ATM... we changed to Revere. The difference is night and day. We are limited here in Utah. I think there are 3 groups our insurance is accepted by. We have Aetna... and I HATE it. UHC wasn't any better they delayed my Gall Bladder surgery. FTP's

I needed an MRI on my shoulder... of course you have to jump through the absurd hoops like take worthless X-Rays - hey idiot Insurance Company Exec... X-Rays don't show shit when there is soft tissue damage ya fuckin' mouth breathing moron, spend $1,000's  on physical therapy that isn't going to fix the problem. That said, 1st appt Sept. 16th to MRI with all the hoops Nov. 8th.

That said, if I wanted to get my own MRI... I could get an appointment probably this week and I'd pay ~$450 for it.

You may want to look into another group if there's one available.

[RobertELee]

When I went to the ER over my blood pressure spiking a few years back they tried to schedule me to see a cardiologist. My wait time was 6 months. And that was after being sent to an ER.

Best health care in the world.   

Yes, it's appalling.  Unless your rich.

If we actually promoted Health CARE(ie foods that don't poison us, exercise, and actual nutrition) rather than Health REACTIONS then the wait time would be SIGNIFICANTLY less. Unless the insurance company was dragging their feet, the reason for your wait is the backlog of patients, not from a shitty healthcare system.

[gcode]

Deny Defend Depose, explained

The phrase "deny, defend, depose" refers to a political or legal strategy sometimes observed in response to allegations or scandals, particularly against public officials or prominent figures. Here's what each component typically means:

Deny – Initially, the accused or their representatives outright deny any wrongdoing or involvement in the alleged activities. This step is often about damage control, where the denial aims to cast doubt on the accusations themselves.

Defend – After the initial denial, if evidence starts to mount or public pressure increases, the strategy shifts to defending the actions. This might involve explaining away the behavior, claiming it was within the law or ethical bounds, or arguing that there was a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the facts.

Depose – If the situation escalates to the point where the accusations can no longer be effectively denied or defended, this could lead to the person being deposed from their position. This might happen through resignation, impeachment, or being voted out. "Depose" here implies a removal from office or position of power.

This sequence outlines a common progression in how entities or individuals might respond to scandals or allegations:

First, they deny the accusations to maintain innocence and control narrative damage.

Then, they might transition into defending their actions if denial becomes untenable, trying to justify or minimize the impact.

Finally, if the situation worsens, the individual might be forced out or choose to step down to prevent further damage to themselves or their associated organizations.

This pattern isn't universal and doesn't apply to all cases, but it has been observed enough times in political, corporate, and other high-profile scenarios to give it a sort of colloquial recognition in discussing crisis management or political maneuvering.

[neurosis]

If we actually promoted Health CARE(ie foods that don't poison us, exercise, and actual nutrition) rather than Health REACTIONS then the wait time would be SIGNIFICANTLY less. Unless the insurance company was dragging their feet, the reason for your wait is the backlog of patients, not from a shitty healthcare system.

I don't disagree that they should promote healthy lifestyles vs damage control. 

But I would be willing to bet my left testicle that if I weren't dealing with an insurance company and having to stay 'in network' and I had the money to pay for this out of pocket, I wouldn't be waiting 6 months to see a cardiologist.

In fact, I was told that if it went to my primary care physician and had them schedule an appointment with a cardiologist, the wait time would be about 1/2 of that, which is still 3 months.

When people are making appointments with cardiologists, its usually for good reason. If you're waiting for 3 months to see one, that is a bull shit health care system. I'd bet my other nut that the UHC Ceo wouldn't be waiting and that's probably why he's pushing up daisy's.

[Del.]

I don't disagree that they should promote healthy lifestyles vs damage control. 

But I would be willing to bet my left testicle that if I weren't dealing with an insurance company and having to stay 'in network' and I had the money to pay for this out of pocket, I wouldn't be waiting 6 months to see a cardiologist.

In fact, I was told that if it went to my primary care physician and had them schedule an appointment with a cardiologist, the wait time would be about 1/2 of that, which is still 3 months.

When people are making appointments with cardiologists, its usually for good reason. If you're waiting for 3 months to see one, that is a bull shit health care system. I'd bet my other nut that the UHC Ceo wouldn't be waiting and that's probably why he's pushing up daisy's.

Sometimes it helps to get your primary care doctor to get you in to see a cardiologist.

Took me 3 months to see a Nuroligist and I was in severe pain for 5 months.

[RobertELee]

I don't disagree that they should promote healthy lifestyles vs damage control. 

But I would be willing to bet my left testicle that if I weren't dealing with an insurance company and having to stay 'in network' and I had the money to pay for this out of pocket, I wouldn't be waiting 6 months to see a cardiologist.

In fact, I was told that if it went to my primary care physician and had them schedule an appointment with a cardiologist, the wait time would be about 1/2 of that, which is still 3 months.

When people are making appointments with cardiologists, its usually for good reason. If you're waiting for 3 months to see one, that is a bull shit health care system. I'd bet my other nut that the UHC Ceo wouldn't be waiting and that's probably why he's pushing up daisy's.

Still then you should be asking why the hospitals aren't adding more staff. (Likely because they can't find any). The insurance companies do not control hospital staffing. Lack of staffing comes from workload, workload comes from the general health of the community, general health of the communities come from diet, exercise, toxins, etc.

It's not coincidence that European nations are generally more healthy from the lack of absolute shit that is illegal to put in food there. Thus they have an easier time getting health care.

[neurosis]

workload comes from the general health of the community, general health of the communities come from diet, exercise, toxins, etc.

Sure, and doctors are the front line when it comes to promoting healthy lifestyles rather than a conveyor line of unhealthy people. That's just more proof of how shitty our health care system is.

It was either an article I read or a documentary I watched not long ago that talked about how our health care professionals aren't trained to promote lifestyles that prevent chronic illnesses etc. This is a problem in the US.

About the only thing that I don't fully agree with you on is that in my opinion, this is a failure of our health care system from top to bottom.

[Smit]

It's not coincidence that European nations are generally more healthy from the lack of absolute shit that is illegal to put in food there. Thus they have an easier time getting health care.

Bingo! We have a winner here.

More government regulations are the answer. Fk freedom of choice. More government regulations could control food additives and the absolute shit we have in our food here. Mandatory exercise, everybody outside at 6 AM for PT!

And who in the fk needs a 4 liter big Gulp of soda pop with their supersized fries and double cheeseburger anyway!?!? Get a diet coke for Chrissakes!

Failing that, if people would just be healthy our problems would just go away. After all we have the best health care in the world is you're healthy or wealthy.