Another school shooting

[MIL-TFP-41]

I was pondering something last night. Suppose instead of a school shooting every month or so a few CEO's were the victims of a boardroom shooting. How would that change the conversation?

[Incogneeto]

I was pondering something last night. Suppose instead of a school shooting every month or so a few CEO's were the victims of a boardroom shooting. How would that change the conversation?

More Donuts for me.

[beej]

(Side note: has anybody ever thought about how the gun manufacturers (and not necessarily the gun lobby) must secretly root for Democrats to win every election, knowing full well that all of the 2A nuts will buy guns and ammo in a mass frenzy, based solely on the irrational, unfounded fear that the Democrat boogeyman will sneak into their houses at night and take all of their firearms? Pretty funny actually.)

https://www.nwaonline.com/news/2024/jun/14/no-charges-filed-in-fatal-atf-shooting-of-bryan/

[beej]

Couple of points:

This is a thread about the recent school shooting in Wisconsin, where the shooter used a gun. AKA, gun deaths. Suicide by gun still counts as a gun death. Mass shooting deaths, whatever that definition may be, are still caused by guns. If a mentally ill person kills someone with a gun, the shooter is still nuts and the victim is still dead. Same as when a sane person kills with a gun.

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

As it stands now, over 45,000 people die as a result of guns in the US. Evidence suggests that the majority of us are okay with that number. 2A, motherfuckers! As a gun owner, I can't say I disagree. Why should I? I've never been shot dead by a crazy or trans person with a gun. Heck, I've never been shot dead by a sane binary person with a gun. Lucky me (and you), the system works.



Anyway, I digress. This is fun guys, let's keep it up!

Question for ya. Given the high suicide rate among trans people, would you be in favor of the state requiring the romoval of all guns from every household that has a trans person living in it?

[neurosis]

I was pondering something last night. Suppose instead of a school shooting every month or so a few CEO's were the victims of a boardroom shooting. How would that change the conversation?

It would probably depend on the CEO.

It's a lot easier to find sympathy for gunned down innocent children so it's an almost unfair comparison. 

[beej]

It would probably depend on the CEO.

It's a lot easier to find sympathy for gunned down innocent children so it's an almost unfair comparison.

yes but the outcry of Democrats complaining about gun violence when he was killed was telling.

[Jim at Gentex]

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread. Same with car accident victims, death by scissors victims, etc. Start another fucking thread, and we can discuss that topic there.

Hint: If you don't want people to think you are an anal-retentive control freak, don't post like an anal-retentive control freak.

This is an open forum.
Topics get intermingled and conversations branch off.

If you don't like it either get a pair of big boy pants or stay out of threads that are apparently triggering for you.

[Smit]

yes but the outcry of Democrats complaining about gun violence when he was killed was telling.

I didn't hear much of that.

What surprised me was the reaction of right wingers.

[beej]

I didn't hear much of that.

What surprised me was the reaction of right wingers.

I agree, as a person who is pro-life, I just can't justify that kind of violence even when I think the person\persons are reprehensible. And I have no idea if that CEO was or not.

[Jeff]

Suicide by gun still counts as a gun death

Only when it's convenient for you libtards to push a narrative.
If that person would have had the Chinavirus it wouldn't count as a gun death because ya gotta pump up those scamdemic numbers!

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Question for ya. Given the high suicide rate among trans people, would you be in favor of the state requiring the romoval of all guns from every household that has a trans person living in it?

State removal of all trans people in the house, problem solved! /s

But seriously, the 'high suicide rate' stat is usually traced back to the 40-42% number, which was a sample size of ~6000 people who self-identified as trans, and 40% of those people has attempted suicide by their own report. Now, I think it's wise to take into account the attention seeking nature of attempts, vs the success rate. Not always published, and I can't find it on a whim right now. BUT as a sweeping generalization, trans people are outspoken, politicized and GD is the diagnosis du jour for teens that want to fit in. I personally believe the numbers are pumped up, similarly to the boom in the mid-90s for BPD, just waiting for the bust now.

As it falls under the category of mental illness, as in not a neuro-typical brain structure, as in your base brain function works against your own self-preservation and you follow that impulse, I believe it should be grounds for disqualification of firearm ownership. Akin to schizophrenia. I have seen the effects of just the drug treatments for FTM transition on people's decision making, critical thinking skills, and attention span. Cognitive function is hampered measurably. I don't believe that cohort would be considered a mentally stable candidate.

I'd have to look further into the number of gun suicides where a trans person took their own life successfully with a legally purchased gun in their own name to decide if the gov't should intervene. They probably shouldn't intervene though, as a rule.

[Incogneeto]

State removal of all trans people in the house, problem solved! /s

But seriously, the 'high suicide rate' stat is usually traced back to the 40-42% number, which was a sample size of ~6000 people who self-identified as trans, and 40% of those people has attempted suicide by their own report. Now, I think it's wise to take into account the attention seeking nature of attempts, vs the success rate. Not always published, and I can't find it on a whim right now. BUT as a sweeping generalization, trans people are outspoken, politicized and GD is the diagnosis du jour for teens that want to fit in. I personally believe the numbers are pumped up, similarly to the boom in the mid-90s for BPD, just waiting for the bust now.

As it falls under the category of mental illness, as in not a neuro-typical brain structure, as in your base brain function works against your own self-preservation and you follow that impulse, I believe it should be grounds for disqualification of firearm ownership. Akin to schizophrenia. I have seen the effects of just the drug treatments for FTM transition on people's decision making, critical thinking skills, and attention span. Cognitive function is hampered measurably. I don't believe that cohort would be considered a mentally stable candidate.

I'd have to look further into the number of gun suicides where a trans person took their own life successfully with a legally purchased gun in their own name to decide if the gov't should intervene. They probably shouldn't intervene though, as a rule.

Just Shut up baby.

Bucky already said "Are you a mental health expert now? Gender dysphoria is a complicated issue that none of us here are qualified to discuss with any degree of competency."

you are Incompetent!!

[Newbeeee™]

If you want to talk about dead fatasses, start another fucking thread.

THAT, "could" be a BIG thread....

#VoteSuperHoneyBadger!

[RobertELee]

InB4 Cornpop screams "I'll punch you in the face!!!!"

[Jim at Gentex]

They probably shouldn't intervene infringe though, as a rule.

Yup.
Seems I read that somewhwere...