LA is burning

[Newbeeee™]

smit... you laughed at this post but with one exception it's completely true

Crickets....LaLaLaLaLaLa he's not listening

[CNCAppsJames]

What the left fails to acknowledge or even understand;

... there are no perfect solutions, only compromises...

Thomas Sowell

Car chases are bad. They are dangerous and can result in loss of innocent life. I don't think anyone sane person would dispute that.

That said, giving criminals Carte Blanche to do what they want poses a greater threat to civilized society than the occasional car chase. Maybe using air assets is part of the solution, maybe using drone technology is part of the solution. Maybe just maybe HARSH penalties not just incarceration are part of the solution.

What is NOT a solution? Decriminalization. Letting misdemeanors and Felonies out on OR.

[Incogneeto]

This was the statement from ladwp.  Take it for what it worth?  According to them, the tanks that provided water to those hydrants were full when they started fighting the fire? I don't know who to believe in these cases when EVERYTHING gets politicized.

edit: I'm sure we'll all hear more over the next couple of months and there will three completely different stories of what happened. One from the right, one from the left, and one from the people who were actually on the ground doing the work. 

They had 3 one million gallon tanks. (gravity flow)

The last tank ran out at 3 AM.

The power was off. so the pumps could not refill. The water has to be pumped uphill.

This was just for the PP fire.

[neurosis]

They had 3 one million gallon tanks. (gravity flow)

The last tank ran out at 3 AM.

The power was off. so the pumps could not refill. The water has to be pumped uphill.

This was just for the PP fire.

I added this for more context (their explanation) to the end of that post.

And again, I don't know if what they are saying is true. It's just the explanation that LADWP is giving. 



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"The first LADWP water tank ran out at about 4:45 p.m. Tuesday, while the second ran out at approximately 8:30 p.m. that day and the third and final tank ran out at about 3 a.m. Wednesday. Officials said this was to be expected due to the constraints of the municipal water system, which L.A. County Public Works Director Mark Pestrella said is "not designed to fight wildfires."

"A firefight with multiple fire hydrants drawing water from the system for several hours is unsustainable," Pestrella said in a news conference Wednesday. "This is a known fact."

Indeed, fire hydrants have also run dry in the case of other wildfires that spread to urban areas, including the 2017 Tubbs Fire, 2024's Mountain Fire and 2023's Maui wildfires.""

[RobertELee]

This was the statement from ladwp.  Take it for what it worth?  According to them, the tanks that provided water to those hydrants were full when they started fighting the fire? I don't know who to believe in these cases when EVERYTHING gets politicized.

edit: I'm sure we'll all hear more over the next couple of months and there will three completely different stories of what happened. One from the right, one from the left, and one from the people who were actually on the ground doing the work. 




"The first LADWP water tank ran out at about 4:45 p.m. Tuesday, while the second ran out at approximately 8:30 p.m. that day and the third and final tank ran out at about 3 a.m. Wednesday. Officials said this was to be expected due to the constraints of the municipal water system, which L.A. County Public Works Director Mark Pestrella said is "not designed to fight wildfires."

"A firefight with multiple fire hydrants drawing water from the system for several hours is unsustainable," Pestrella said in a news conference Wednesday. "This is a known fact."

Indeed, fire hydrants have also run dry in the case of other wildfires that spread to urban areas, including the 2017 Tubbs Fire, 2024's Mountain Fire and 2023's Maui wildfires."

None of those stories mention the Santa Ynez reservoir. 117million gallons empty because the floating cover had a rip in it. That reservoir sits on the top of the hill the palisades is located on. It feeds to the Palisades.

[gcode]

None of those stories mention the Santa Ynez reservoir. 117million gallons empty because the floating cover had a rip in it. That reservoir sits on the top of the hill the palisades is located on. It feeds to the Palisades.

I've heard that the reservoir had been empty for one year..and another source says 2 years.
Either way, had it been full it would have made a huge difference in the outcome in the Palisades.
It was designed to gravity feed the fire hydrants and there would have been water available, even after the power went out.

[RobertELee]

I've heard that the reservoir had been empty for one year..and another source says 2 years.
Either way, had it been full it would have made a huge difference in the outcome in the Palisades.
It was designed to gravity feed the fire hydrants and there would have been water available, even after the power went out.

This guy says Feb of last year, also goes into some other little tidbits that are pretty interesting

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[neurosis]

None of those stories mention the Santa Ynez reservoir. 117million gallons empty because the floating cover had a rip in it. That reservoir sits on the top of the hill the palisades is located on. It feeds to the Palisades.

The information I've seen on that said that the reservoir was empty because it was under renovation. Bad timing? Just an excuse?

[neurosis]

Of course, reading more in to it, the reservoir was drained in February and renovation was tied up in red tape slowing the process.

Then - 


"Could the reservoir have helped combat the fires?

The reservoir is intended to provide water storage "for domestic use and fire fighting purposes in the Pacific Palisades area" according to city documents.

DWP says that the agency is conducting its own investigation on its "water resiliency." But experts and officials agree that the extent of the wildfires would have put a strain on the city's water supply regardless of whether the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been full. "

[MIL-TFP-41]

What the left fails to acknowledge or even understand;Thomas Sowell

Car chases are bad. They are dangerous and can result in loss of innocent life. I don't think anyone sane person would dispute that.

That said, giving criminals Carte Blanche to do what they want poses a greater threat to civilized society than the occasional car chase. Maybe using air assets is part of the solution, maybe using drone technology is part of the solution. Maybe just maybe HARSH penalties not just incarceration are part of the solution.

What is NOT a solution? Decriminalization. Letting misdemeanors and Felonies out on OR.

I think people who drive like assholes should get the Rodney King treatment. Problem is making the cops the jury and punisher brings a whole slew of problems. That being said, getting your ass kicked is one hell of a deterrent.

[RobertELee]

Of course, reading more in to it, the reservoir was drained in February and renovation was tied up in red tape slowing the process.

Then - 


"Could the reservoir have helped combat the fires?

The reservoir is intended to provide water storage "for domestic use and fire fighting purposes in the Pacific Palisades area" according to city documents.

DWP says that the agency is conducting its own investigation on its "water resiliency." But experts and officials agree that the extent of the wildfires would have put a strain on the city's water supply regardless of whether the Santa Ynez Reservoir had been full. "

They are covering their asses pure and simple. Had the SY Reservoir been full(even half full) it would have added a tremendous amount of water of the only couple million they had to help save even at least a portion of the homes.

And to blame the red tape, that state is all red tape. Nobody's fault but the governments that created that red tape. And what's hilarious is the reservoir has only had a cover for like 10 years, before that it was never covered. One of the 3 letter agencies forced it to get a cover.

[CNCAppsJames]

The information I've seen on that said that the reservoir was empty because it was under renovation. Bad timing? Just an excuse?

All sources do indicate renovation. As of today, it's been 11 months that ist' been empty.

One would think they would put a rush on a project like that and not even because of the possibility of wildfire, but because it's NEVER a good idea to be without such a significant water reservoir in one of the driest densely populated places in the US. Common sense says get that thing back online as soon as humanly possible.

[gcode]

I think people who drive like assholes should get the Rodney King treatment.

I spent some time in West Texas when I was young.
If you ran from the cops, it was a given you were going to get beat when they caught you.
End of story, no doubt about it.

[Incogneeto]

Not to be a Harbinger.

But a significant Quake at this time would seal the Deal.

[CNCAppsJames]

I think people who drive like assholes should get the Rodney King treatment. Problem is making the cops the jury and punisher brings a whole slew of problems. That being said, getting your ass kicked is one hell of a deterrent.

When I was a kid, our local Sherriff Deputy was a serious deterrent to most of us kids that weren't smart enough to stay out of trouble in the first place getting into REAL trouble. I'm pretty sure I have knurls in the bones on my hands.

God Bless Officer Gray. I will ALWAYS be grateful that he was looking out for us latch-key kids. I'll bet when he went back to Industry Station every day he said "Fuck you Sarge, I don't get paid enough to babysit those fuckin' hooligans!". But there he was, day in, day out, year in, year out, not giving up on us. I'm sure he's passed away now.

Yeah, an ass kicking from a dude that could definitely deliver it was most definitely a deterrent.