Democratic Party Handed Polling Blow on Heels of Second Trump Term

neurosis · January 30, 2025, 04:26 PM

Quote from: Incogneeto on January 30, 2025, 03:43 PMThis is the definition according to Smit.

Of "Rent Free"

I figured I was fishing for smelt. I hear those are a throwaway fish.

ghuns · January 31, 2025, 06:06 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 30, 2025, 04:26 PMI figured I was fishing for smelt. I hear those are a throwaway fish.

Throw them over here. Smelt are a delicacy in these parts.

beej · January 31, 2025, 08:08 AM

Interesting article from a democrat on how Trump has hurt the democratic party. But here's the thing, if Trump has taken the issues that democrats care about and he is now advocating for them, why don't they see that as a win, for what they actually want? It's proof that our political parties, don't really want issues fixed, they want power. The issues they advocate for are just the tools they use to get it. And they feel threatened by someone who does actually want to create change.

https://thehill.com/opinion/5114895-democrats-steal-trump-playbook/

QuoteDonald Trump regained the presidency at least in part because he blurred the lines between Republicans and Democrats. He did that by stealing the Democratic Party's playbook.

And now is the time for Democrats to steal his.

For decades, labor has supported protectionist policies, including tariffs, intended to limit foreign products and preserve American jobs. Democrats have moved towards free trade only gingerly to maintain labor's support, while Republicans have been full-throated supporters of free trade. Trump changed that dynamic by stealing the issue from Democrats and rejecting GOP orthodoxy.

mowens · January 31, 2025, 08:11 AM

"It's proof that our political parties, don't really want issues fixed, they want power."

Bingo

neurosis · January 31, 2025, 08:19 AM

Quote from: mowens on January 31, 2025, 08:11 AM"It's proof that our political parties, don't really want issues fixed, they want power."

Bingo

I was going to say - this is why I don't subscribe to tribalism politics. One thing I've figured out over the years is that neither side gives a shit about the Countries citizens. All they care about is getting reelected. Once they solve all of these problems they'll have nothing to run on and nobody to contribute to their campaigns so there is no incentive to help anyone or fix anything.

CNCAppsJames · January 31, 2025, 08:20 AM

They'd rather call someone a nazi than give the taxpayers a win.

The problem dems have lost COMPLETE sight of is they claim to be for all these things, yet their voting record reflects the polar opposite.

In the words of their god Saul Alinsky;
4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

beej · January 31, 2025, 08:24 AM

in the 2020 democratic primary debate, the question was asked, who here, would undo the tariffs that Trump has placed on china. Only one Democrat raised her hand, Kamala Harris if my memory is right, and when she looked at the rest to see that no one else raised their hands you could tell she felt like pulling her hand back down.

But here we are 4 years later and democrats are complaining about how these tariffs are going to hurt the poor and middle class. Why? it's not because they don't want the tariffs, it's because it's Trump that is creating them.

CNCAppsJames · January 31, 2025, 08:27 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 31, 2025, 08:19 AMI was going to say - this is why I don't subscribe to tribalism politics.

Tribalism isn't all bad... until it becomes weaponized as it is now.

For long time the tribes would work together towards a common goal, now moving to a common goal is seen as giving the other side a win which is DEEPLY frowned upon. Each tribe has it's own idea about any given problem, collaboration brings about an exchange of ideas, which in turn gives everyone agency. Agency is DEFINITELY the enemy in today's Democrat Party.

JM2CFWIW

neurosis · January 31, 2025, 08:30 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 31, 2025, 08:27 AMTribalism isn't all bad... until it becomes weaponized as it is now.

You don't think that it encourages us to ignore (or support) things that we might not otherwise? Or *some* people to vote for things that might not be in their best interest?

beej · January 31, 2025, 08:37 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 31, 2025, 08:30 AMYou don't think that it encourages us to ignore (or support) things that we might not otherwise? Or *some* people to vote for things that might not be in their best interest?

Patriotism often asks us to do things that are not in our best interest. It's not in our best interest to give our life for our country. But people do it.

I hear this a lot now. People are making fun of voters who are voting for something that is not in their best interest. That used to be considered a virtue, a selfless act. why are we now chalking it up to be "tard" voters.

neurosis · January 31, 2025, 08:40 AM

Quote from: beej on January 31, 2025, 08:37 AMPatriotism often asks us to do things that are not in our best interest. It's not in our best interest to give our life for our country. But people do it.

I hear this a lot now. People are making fun of voters who are voting for something that is not in their best interest. That used to be considered a virtue, a selfless act. why are we now chalking it up to be "tard" voters.

The only thing that's changed is that we call it out now. I don't know when this tribalism politics started, but it hasn't helped the Country. It's made it worse. And it continues to get worse.

CNCAppsJames · January 31, 2025, 08:57 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 31, 2025, 08:30 AMYou don't think that it encourages us to ignore (or support) things that we might not otherwise? Or *some* people to vote for things that might not be in their best interest?

I live in The United States of America... the greatest country on earth. I was born with a winning lottery ticket BECAUSE I was born here. The only thing stopping me from achieving whatever I want here is me.

That said, BECAUSE I recognize the tremendous gift I was given at birth, the Republic is more important than me, therefore I often do things that may not 100% be in my own personal self's best interest. It's my duty. That also said, things that are good for the Republic, are more often than not good for me in the big picture.

CNCAppsJames · January 31, 2025, 08:58 AM

Quote from: neurosis on January 31, 2025, 08:40 AMThe only thing that's changed is that we call it out now. I don't know when this tribalism politics started, but it hasn't helped the Country. It's made it worse. And it continues to get worse.

We saw tinges of it in the late 80's. By the mid 90's it was full blown. IMHO of course.

Bucky Cornstarch · January 31, 2025, 09:10 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 31, 2025, 08:57 AMI live in The United States of America... the greatest country on earth. I was born with a winning lottery ticket BECAUSE I was born here. The only thing stopping me from achieving whatever I want here is me.

That said, BECAUSE I recognize the tremendous gift I was given at birth, the Republic is more important than me, therefore I often do things that may not 100% be in my own personal self's best interest. It's my duty. That also said, things that are good for the Republic, are more often than not good for me in the big picture.

neurosis · January 31, 2025, 09:15 AM

Quote from: CNCAppsJames on January 31, 2025, 08:58 AMWe saw tinges of it in the late 80's. By the mid 90's it was full blown. IMHO of course.

I feel like we were born at the perfect time. We got to see the start of the technology boom. Insurance was still good enough that we were able to afford medical bills, we were able to pay for an apartment and make a car payment at the same time without living with 6 room mates. You didn't have to sell a kidney to go to college.

I hate to see where we are 20 years from now.