Biden's pardons are null and void

[Incogneeto]

1600 pardons in one day?
Dementia Joe didn't even know what he was having for breakfast

'Cream of Wheat" just like everyone else in the Nursing home.

[YoDoug]

However, as a 4D chess move from Trump, that post is gold. He can get the entire D party and Rinos focused on that to give him some relief to keep doing what he was elected to do. Even more, he needs something like this to keep the judiciary busy so the activist federal judges that keep making up law to try to stop him are otherwise distracted. Right now that is the biggest challenge he is facing. Judges keep ruling "will cause irreparable harm" without citing any actual laws or case history to back it up.

[gcode]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-removes-hundreds-alleged-venezuelan-gang-members-under-now-blocked-authority-2025-03-16/

[mowens]

So will they round them all up and put them in back in Jail?

[YoDoug]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-removes-hundreds-alleged-venezuelan-gang-members-under-now-blocked-authority-2025-03-16/

IMO, unless these federal activists judges can name actual law or case precedence their phony rulings should be ignored. Let them try to enforce them.

[gcode]

IMO, unless these federal activists judges can name actual law or case precedence their phony rulings should be ignored. Let them try to enforce them.

The left had no problem at all when Biden Biden's proxies ignored the Supreme Court ruling on their illegal
student loan program. They just kept right on going to the tune of $180 billion.
The left set the precedent for ignoring judicial orders, but now the shoe is on the other foot.
They really seem to be upset about all these potential Democratic voters being deported.

[Jeff]

Just more bullshit from the left to make sure that ANYTHING Trump does never sees a positive outcome.
It's been happening every day since 2016.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

However, as a 4D chess move from Trump, that post is gold. He can get the entire D party and Rinos focused on that to give him some relief to keep doing what he was elected to do. Even more, he needs something like this to keep the judiciary busy so the activist federal judges that keep making up law to try to stop him are otherwise distracted. Right now that is the biggest challenge he is facing. Judges keep ruling "will cause irreparable harm" without citing any actual laws or case history to back it up.

Like you, I hate when the three branches of government are working as they were designed to, keeping each other in check. Especially when that pesky judicial branch keeps my guy from doing anything he damn well pleases.

[rdshear]

Let's say for instance that this does get footing and is determined to invalidate the autopen signatures.  How far back will they take it considering that machine has been used by many administrations.  I could see a "From this point forward" type decision, but going back could be a nightmare to try to prove lack of knowledge of the autopen usage and what was being signed with it.  While I think it would be interesting to see what would happen should the pardon signatures become invalid, I think the can of a worms a ruling like that may open could be much more troublesome.

[JParis]

I saw this earlier today...

My first thoughts are "is there a precedent?"

Are there some "rules?"

In absence of some clear direction one way or the other, the only place this can end up is in SCOTUS

Short of that is business as usual

[neurosis]

IMO, unless these federal activists judges can name actual law or case precedence their phony rulings should be ignored. Let them try to enforce them.

What makes this guy an "activist judge"? Wasn't he the Chief Judge of the United States Alien Terrorist Removal Court?

[mowens]

What benefit are the American people getting from the pearl clutching and hand wringing over the autopen? These pardons are a fait accompli. It's very unlikely that anything will be done about the pardons. If the autopen is really a problem then pass a law saying anything requiring a president's signature has to be done by the president with witnesses.

[neurosis]

What benefit are the American people getting from the pearl clutching and hand wringing over the autopen?

The political right (MAGA crowd) want's to see everyone on the January 6th committee investigated, charged, and put away.

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Let's say for instance that this does get footing and is determined to invalidate the autopen signatures.  How far back will they take it considering that machine has been used by many administrations.

My first thoughts are "is there a precedent?"

Are there some "rules?"

In absence of some clear direction one way or the other, the only place this can end up is in SCOTUS

I posted it in the other autopen thread, but George W Bush was the first president to ask if it was constitutional to sign a bill with the autopen. He was told 'yes' - but never used it as such. Obama was the first to use it when POTUS was not in the white house, with phoned permission to sign, and this marks the first time the autopen was used 'on behalf' of POTUS to sign a bill. I think the rulings should keep those admins in mind when deciding if the usage is out of line historically.

"What circumstances arose where the president was in the building, but the autopen was used on his behalf, or instead of a regular pen". The objective answer to that question is important with regards to Biden's admin.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

In his role as the 45th and 47th president of the United States (January 20, 2017 – January 20, 2021 and January 20, 2025 – present), Donald Trump granted executive clemency to 237 individuals in his first term, and over 1,500 individuals as of January 22, 2025, in his second, all of whom were charged or convicted of federal criminal offenses.

Did Trump use an autopen on any of his more than 1700 pardons?