Democrats are in real trouble

[beej]

Now, you have Democrat Party leader David Hogg saying democracy is the problem."

In fairness to Hogg, I think that he is saying that running on the moniker "saving democracy" is the problem. He thinks that the democratic party should have run on real world solutions to real world problems.

But my question for him would the democratic party do better than it has in the past when you 2 states like Missouri and Illinois. And for the record, I'm not saying that Missouri doesn't have it's problems. It clearly does. but the differences are stark.

[CNCAppsJames]

they have a veto proof majority of Democrats in both the house and the senate, so I would say they are.

Same with the People's Republik of Kommieforniastan. Democrats have held a Super-Majority (over 2/3) for over 20 years
plus ALL executive  elected positions.

But anything wrong in that state is all "Republican's Fault" according to the Democrats. And their idiot voters buy it lock, stock, and barrel. In the US, there is not a single block of voters with fewer functioning brain cells than Kommiefornian Democrats.

[CNCAppsJames]

In fairness to Hogg, I think that he is saying that running on the moniker "saving democracy" is the problem. He thinks that the democratic party should have run on real world solutions to real world problems.

But my question for him would the democratic party do better than it has in the past when you 2 states like Missouri and Illinois. And for the record, I'm not saying that Missouri doesn't have it's problems. It clearly does. but the differences are stark.

ALL states have problems. There is no perfect state. 

The problems arise when the Demokkkrats from Kommieforniastan, New Yorkistan, invade a state... just like like locusts and destroy everything. 

Colorado is destroyed, Arizona is nearly destroyed. Oregon is destroyed, Tennessee is having problems, Washington is destroyed. I see it here in Utah... the beginning stages. 

Fuckin Kommiefornians go someplace else and they want to make it like the shithole they left. Fuck those people, and they should go back to that shithole they left.

[Smit]

Lol

[JParis]

Let's see how "in trouble" they are come the mid-terms...

I think a WHOLE LOT OF people on the right are going to be VERY surprised.

At this moment, I expect the R's to lose the House & Senate. The Senate will be the more difficult proposition but I suspect there will be seats flipped that no one sees happening. With no Presidential election, I expect a lot of those "middle of the road" voters to not be so motivated. Most of those people don't see the problems that many on the right see in every mirror.

I think cooler heads will prevail and the "shine" will be off....Congress has done nothing and they will pay the ultimate price.

I could change my over the next 18 or so months but that's my current thinking.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

Nutboy going on a tear; much appreciated. Much like how his new neighbors in Utah must appreciate him bringing his Kommiefornian nuttiness to their state.

[beej]

Let's see how "in trouble" they are come the mid-terms...

I think a WHOLE LOT OF people on the right are going to be VERY surprised.

At this moment, I expect the R's to lose the House & Senate. The Senate will be the more difficult proposition but I suspect there will be seats flipped that no one sees happening. With no Presidential election, I expect a lot of those "middle of the road" voters to not be so motivated. Most of those people don't see the problems that many on the right see in every mirror.

I think cooler heads will prevail and the "shine" will be off....Congress has done nothing and they will pay the ultimate price.

I could change my over the next 18 or so months but that's my current thinking.

absolutely could be true. Republicans have to govern well in order to keep the gains.

[JParis]

Republicans have to govern well in order to keep the gains.

and so far they have done just about nuffin'

[CNCAppsJames]

and so far they have done just about nuffin'

Yep. Of course, when you have a Trump style individual person in the WH, pretty much everything else good or bad pales in comparison.

[MIL-TFP-41]

At this moment, I expect the R's to lose the House & Senate. The Senate will be the more difficult proposition but I suspect there will be seats flipped that no one sees happening. With no Presidential election, I expect a lot of those "middle of the road" voters to not be so motivated. Most of those people don't see the problems that many on the right see in every mirror.

That is what I would predict also. When crypto looks like a stable option vs the market, people are nervous. And right now the market is 15% down from the beginning of the year due to "executive orders". I remember reading a long time ago..."its the economy stupid", referring to if the economy is doing well, the incumbent party does well. Poorly...well we all know the answer.

So far, the economy is doing pretty shitty. At least if you define shitty by people have collectively lost trillions of $$$ that is.

[beej]

That is what I would predict also. When crypto looks like a stable option vs the market, people are nervous. And right now the market is 15% down from the beginning of the year due to "executive orders". I remember reading a long time ago..."its the economy stupid", referring to if the economy is doing well, the incumbent party does well. Poorly...well we all know the answer.

So far, the economy is doing pretty shitty. At least if you define shitty by people have collectively lost trillions of $$$ that is.

All may very well be true, it depends on how voters are looking at this. If they see it as a temporary rough patch to get through to prosperous times, or whether this is the new normal. My guess is that if it's still looking bad at midterms it will not seem to be a temporary rough patch to a lot of people, even if it is. When you live in an economy where you can get almost anything delivered next day with a few clicks on you phone, it's hard to be patient for any length of time for the economy to be corrected.

right now Trump is ahead in the polls on his deportation policy, while democrats are using airplanes to chase squirrels. If the Democrats can get it together and focus, and the economy doesn't start to turn around, they might have a shot. who knows, that's a capital IF.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/04/17/enten_56_of_voters_favor_deporting_all_illegal_immigrants_people_think_the_country_is_on_the_right_track_under_trump.html

But the main point of my first post was that they need better thought leaders than Mr. Hogg.

[JParis]

But the main point of my first post was that they need better thought leaders than Mr. Hogg.

Do they?

When you look at Spartacus, Liawatha, AOC, Ayanna Pressly, Maxine Waters, Seth Moulten, Ed Markey and the other kooks, do they really? People ARE voting for these people...

The right has their fair share as well, Bobert, MTG and others....

These kooks keep getting elected....someone is doing it

[beej]

Do they?

When you look at Spartacus, Liawatha, AOC, Ayanna Pressly, Maxine Waters, Seth Moulten, Ed Markey and the other kooks, do they really? People ARE voting for these people...

The right has their fair share as well, Bobert, MTG and others....

These kooks keep getting elected....someone is doing it

kooks can get elected in one sided districts and one sided states, but if you want to sway, swayable voters, you have to make your case.

[JParis]

kooks can get elected in one sided districts and one sided states, but if you want to sway, swayable voters, you have to make your case.

beej, that's the problem....in so many ways, sense and sensibility are out to lunch. The "middle" is tepid at best. When they feel like their stability is at risk, it can be difficult to predict which way they break.

It is feeling increasingly like there is no fixing this at this point. The entire enchilada needs to come apart and what this country looks like on the other side of that, none of us can know.

The entire "Democrats are in trouble" frankly, it plays right into the undercurrent of discontent.

There is so much to play out over the next 18 or so months...

[neurosis]

I'm guessing that any swing voter who voted for inflation relief and a good economy got a LOT more than they bargained for with the forced, unilateral trade war. I would also suspect that those looking for something to be done with the border situation, also got a lot more than they bargained for.

Republicans in Congress attempted to effectively neuter themselves through procedural rule so they had an out as far as tariffs. 18 months *is* a long time and we all have short memories, but I'm not sure how there isn't a landslide in the mid-terms unless something changes drastically.

I'm also horrible at political predictions so...