Israel attacks Iran.

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megatronprime

Quote from: gcode on June 13, 2025, 07:41 AMOne thing to remember about Iran
It is a 40/60 country.
The fundamentalist took control in 1979 and their rule is brutal and barbaric.
They are about 40% of the country.
The remaining 60% would happily dance on the fundamentalists graves.
I'm sure Israel has no trouble at all recruiting sleeper cells, saboteurs and spies.

For example... last night they took out the entire command structure of the Iranian Air Force with one strike.
(20+ commanders)
The Israeli press release did not go into details but said they had the a means to
trick the Air Force command into calling a meeting and staying in place long enough to gift them
with a 2000 pound bomb.
It takes very high grade intelligence to pull off something like that.
I just watched a video of young Hillary Clinton saying if she was made president, she would invade Iran. That one aged well
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Elmer Fudd

I hope Trumps intel is better than George Bushs was...but I kinda doubt it.
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neurosis

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Quote from: Elmer Fudd on June 23, 2025, 02:44 AMI hope Trumps intel is better than George Bushs was...but I kinda doubt it.

His intel, including US spies in Iran, told him that Iran wasn't developing nukes, and he told them they were wrong.

I'm pretty sure he didn't care.

Well, in his own words "I don't care what she said" talking about Tulsi Gabbard's Senate hearing testimony back in March.
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gcode

Quote from: Elmer Fudd on June 23, 2025, 02:44 AMI hope Trumps intel is better than George Bushs was...but I kinda doubt it.

You can bet Israel's intel is better than Bush's was.
They were able to trick the entire command structure of the Iranian Armed Forces into holding a meeting and
patiently wait for a 2000 pound JDAM to come through the roof.
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Quote from: Elmer Fudd on June 23, 2025, 02:44 AMI hope Trumps intel is better than George Bushs was...but I kinda doubt it.
funny how people confuse 'intel' with thinly veiled propaganda as a pretext. 
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Hot Air

QuoteAfter last night's strikes on Iran, Democrat politicians reached screeching levels of hypocrisy over Donald Trump's decision to act rather than wait for an Iranian nuclear weapon deployment. Chuck Schumer demanded action from Congress, as did Hakeem Jeffries. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez led calls for impeachment. Practically every Democrat on Capitol Hill -- with the notable exception of John Fetterman -- rushed to promote their "authoritarian" narrative about Trump.

All of this venting reveals very short memories on the port side of Capitol Hill. Fourteen years ago, they couldn't get enough of presidential strikes on a nation in the very same region. Remember Hillary Clinton's chortling over the fall of Moammar Qaddafi and the role she and Barack Obama played in it? "We came, we saw, he died," she raved to Leslie Stahl after a joint US-EU bombing campaign decapitated Qaddafi's regime, and left a failed state in its wake:



QuoteObama never even bothered to formally report the action to Congress, as required under the War Powers Act, with the lame excuse that he ordered the strikes to support the action led by NATO. At the time, Harold Koh argued that the War Powers Act didn't apply because of the limited nature of the conflict -- which had been going on for three months at that point -- and the administration's interpretation of the word "hostilities" in the act. As long as US ground troops weren't involved, Koh argued, the president had full authority and no responsibility to notify Congress at all, Koh argued.

Democrats then blocked a Republican effort to order the end of Obama's use of military assets in the operation. Congress eventually refused in June 2011 to authorize the operation's continuance past the 60-days-plus-30 limit in the Wat Powers Act, which Obama then ignored. He continued to order military action in Libya until October, when Qaddafi finally got pushed out of power and killed in the streets of Tripoli. And Democrats, led by the chortling Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, cheered Obama's initiative.

The wisdom of that operation is not the issue here. Neither is the wisdom of last night's operation, although the Iranian nuclear-weapons program certainly has far more connection to American security than Libyan rebels did in 2011. The issue at hand is the hypocrisy of those who cheered the 2011 operation, but who now insist that such use of American military forces without Congress' approval is somehow illegal or unprecedented.


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megatronprime

Quote from: neurosis on June 23, 2025, 02:53 AMHis intel, including US spies in Iran, told him that Iran wasn't developing nukes, and he told them they were wrong.

I'm pretty sure he didn't care.

Well, in his own words "I don't care what she said" talking about Tulsi Gabbard's Senate hearing testimony back in March.
Why are they enriching uranium to weapons grade levels then?

I'll wait..

megatronprime

Quote from: gcode on June 23, 2025, 03:20 AMYou can bet Israel's intel is better than Bush's was.
They were able to trick the entire command structure of the Iranian Armed Forces into holding a meeting and
patiently wait for a 2000 pound JDAM to come through the roof.
And let's not forget the cellphone pager thing, ts was diabolical
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Quote from: megatronprime on June 23, 2025, 05:11 AMWhy are they enriching uranium to weapons grade levels then?

I'll wait..

Weapons grade? Or near weapons grade? Has it been confirmed that they are capable of enriching to weapons grade?

Why aren't you asking Trumps top grade Director of National Intelligence?

Are you implying that he may have made the wrong choice?  :headscratch: And that everyone who defended that choice has some explaining to do?  :D
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gcode

Quote from: neurosis on June 23, 2025, 05:13 AMWeapons grade? Or near weapons grade? Has it been confirmed that they are capable of enriching to weapons grade?

Why aren't you asking Trumps top grade Director of National Intelligence?

Are you implying that he may have made the wrong choice?  :headscratch: And that everyone who defended that choice has some explaining to do?  :D

The AEC estimates they have enough weapons grade plutonium for 10 bombs.
The nuclear cat has been out of the bag for a while now.
Israel is small enough that it is considered a "one bomb country" and IMO
it is only a matter of time until it is no more.
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neurosis

Quote from: gcode on June 23, 2025, 05:29 AMThe AEC estimates they have enough weapons grade plutonium for 10 bombs.

I haven't seen that reported as being confirmed anywhere?

What do you think about Dmitry Medvedev claiming that other Countries are willing to supply Iran with nuclear weapons after this attack?
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Newbeeee™

Quote from: neurosis on June 23, 2025, 05:13 AMWeapons grade? Or near weapons grade? Has it been confirmed that they are capable of enriching to weapons grade?

Why aren't you asking Trumps top grade Director of National Intelligence?

Are you implying that he may have made the wrong choice?  :headscratch: And that everyone who defended that choice has some explaining to do?  :D
C'mon man - all this is irrelevant!!!!
The crown wants the Lithium baby.... :sofa:
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neurosis

Getting the same results from different places doing some brief digging.


"Iran and Weapons-Grade Plutonium
Summary:
Iran does not currently possess weapons-grade plutonium, nor does it have an active pathway to produce it under existing facility configurations and international oversight.

Plutonium Production Capability
The primary means for producing weapons-grade plutonium is through the operation of a heavy-water reactor, specifically the Arak reactor. Under the 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the Arak reactor was redesigned so it could not produce weapons-grade plutonium. All spent fuel, which could be reprocessed for plutonium, is required to be shipped out of the country, and Iran is not permitted to build new heavy-water reactors for at least 15 years from the deal's implementation.

As a result of these restrictions, Iran does not have a source for weapons-grade plutonium, and international monitoring by the IAEA is designed to ensure this remains the case.

Current Focus: Uranium, Not Plutonium
Iran's nuclear activities have focused on uranium enrichment, not plutonium production. Iran is enriching uranium up to 60% U-235, which is below the 90% threshold for weapons-grade uranium but can be further enriched in a relatively short time.

There is no evidence that Iran has produced or stockpiled weapons-grade plutonium. All known Iranian nuclear facilities are either under IAEA safeguards or, in the case of Arak, are not configured to produce plutonium suitable for weapons use.

International Oversight and Risks
While there are proliferation concerns about Iran's uranium enrichment activities, the pathway for plutonium-based weapons remains blocked by the reactor redesign and international controls.

The risk of a covert plutonium program is considered low due to the visibility of heavy-water reactors and spent fuel, which are difficult to hide from international inspectors.

Conclusion
Iran does not have weapons-grade plutonium and lacks the operational capability to produce it under current international agreements and facility designs. Its nuclear weapons potential, if any, is centered on uranium enrichment, not plutonium production.

"
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