Democrat's race based gerrymandering is in trouble at SCOTUS

[Incogneeto]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/robot-crab-killed-by-rivals-in-mating-rituals/ar-AA1Kd9nU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ade09baa36df4ccbbedb89a0fa7a2342&ei=26

Don't be a wavy Dave.

[mkd]

These politicians should get a Superbowl ring for their performance at being impervious to facts. 🤣🤣🤣💩💩💩

[neurosis]

These politicians should get a Superbowl ring for their performance at being impervious to facts.

Do you at all find it peculiar that these assholes have convinced us to fight with each other to justify gerrymandering, when we are the losers in this fight?

[mkd]

Do you at all find it peculiar that these assholes have convinced us to fight with each other to justify gerrymandering, when we are the losers in this fight?

Political parties makes voting a team sport... Which is the death of a constitutional republic

[beej]

Do you at all find it peculiar that these assholes have convinced us to fight with each other to justify gerrymandering, when we are the losers in this fight?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbridge_Gerry

This practice is nearly as old as the nation itself, and incidently, started by the Democratic party. And so far, it hasn't destroyed the country. I may not like it, you may not like it, but in 213 years, nobody has come up with a way to even define it, much less stop it. much like the supreme court justice said about porn, I don't know how to define it, but I know it when I see it. Gerrymandering is the same way. you have to divide up districts by population. How do you do it? Do you divide them up by race to give the black people a vote? if so, then you are also making white districts to the exclusion of blacks. Do you divide up the districts by voting tendency (equal democrat\republican)? How in the world would you do that in Alabama or Philadelphia?

The republican party doesn't like it when they get gerrymandered out of a seat, and neither does the democratic party, like it or not, the elections do have consequences. But so does party platforms, the parties should each play the long game by being civilized, have rational debates, and platforms that appeal to large swaths of the constituency.

[neurosis]

I may not like it, you may not like it, but in 213 years, nobody has come up with a way to even define it, much less stop it.

They tried to outlaw it, and 100% of Republicans voted against it, but we don't have to go down that road again. .

I get that "we don't like it", but it still feels like you're defending it when it is a blatant corruption of the democratic process.

We've been screwing the voters for years so no sense in changing it now? 

[beej]

I get that "we don't like it", but it still feels like you're defending it when it is a blatant corruption of the democratic process.

duly noted. but it seems to me that you only started complaining about it when republicans got good at it.

but the truth is, that we already have a good all around guard against gerrymandering. It's called the Senate. And while the senate in and of itself guards against the extremism of gerrymandering, it has even one further vehicle to limit it. it's called the filibuster.  The founding fathers of our country were no dummies.

[neurosis]

duly noted. but it seems to me that you only started complaining about it when republicans got good at it.

I only started complaining when the President of the US publicly told a State to gerrymander to gain seats.

I knew that it was a thing before. I didn't realize that we were going to turn it in to a sport, where States start to openly disenfranchise their voters to get back at each other. That's me being naive, I suppose. 

From what I've read, Republicans have been good at it for a long time. Of the top 10 gerrymandered States, 9 are Republican.

[beej]

Of the top 10 gerrymandered States, 9 are Republican.

I've read that too. here is a link written by a guy in London who's specialty is climate science saying just that...

https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-most-gerrymandered-states-wisconsin-1915098

note the lack of Illinois being on that list, who infamously gerrymandered around a republican's house to get rid of him

[ajayers180]

duly noted. but it seems to me that you only started complaining about it when republicans got good at it.

but the truth is, that we already have a good all around guard against gerrymandering. It's called the Senate. And while the senate in and of itself guards against the extremism of gerrymandering, it has even one further vehicle to limit it. it's called the filibuster.  The founding fathers of our country were no dummies.

When you vote 3rd party and complain about gerrymandering.

[neurosis]

When you vote 3rd party and complain about gerrymandering.

I live in a State that voted 60/40 kamala/Trump.   Primary a Republican that isn't a pile of shit, and I'll vote for them. Until then, I don't have a gnats penis worth of give a crap about what your opinion is of who I vote for. Too harsh?  The truth is, it wouldn't matter in this State anyway. It's the same problem our "Conservative" friends in California have. If you're a California Conservative, your vote for a Republican President is purely symbolic.

As far as gerrymandering goes, it's not as much of a problem here, but I also don't want to see it become one.

[neurosis]

When you vote 3rd party and complain about gerrymandering.

I do have to ask, because I feel like this is important. You do realize that gerrymandering affects local representation, not the presidency, right?

[ajayers180]

I do have to ask, because I feel like this is important. You do realize that gerrymandering affects local representation, not the presidency, right?

Oh my!! I feel like such a fool.(or a gnat's penis) Do you mean congressional support doesn't affect The Presidency?

[mowens]

You sound alarmingly familiar.

[neurosis]

Oh my!! I feel like such a fool.(or a gnat's penis) Do you mean congressional support doesn't affect The Presidency?

It certainly doesn't directly affect the outcome of a presidential election, and your jab was about a presidential candidate. You have no clue how I vote locally.