Trump ally shot in Utah a few minutes ago

[beej]

The disgusting mainstream media is parroting that this is the result of hate rhetoric from the right.

"this" may not be the result of hate rhetoric from the right, but there is an awful lot of hate rhetoric from the right. Both sides have to stop it. The right needs to denounce their own hate, as the left should denounce theirs.

[Del.]

"this" may not be the result of hate rhetoric from the right, but there is an awful lot of hate rhetoric from the right. Both sides have to stop it. The right needs to denounce their own hate, as the left should denounce theirs.

That's hard to do when I really hate them. Not to the point of violence though.

[beej]

if anybody wants to honor Charlie Kirk, they should debate without insult. that's his legacy.

[Jeff]

but there is an awful lot of hate rhetoric from the right.

Show me anything that is on par with what the left is and has been saying for the last decade.
Aside from the disgusting people on tiktok or Reddit and the like, that video that Del linked is a good depiction.
If anyone on the left had said anything remotely as bad it would have been plastered all over the mainstream media 24/7.

Did anyone hold up a bloody head of Biden or Obama? Nope.
Is there any Conservative media that is spewing hatred like The View and MSNBC and CNN does daily? If there is, show me.

Have there been mass riots across the country because the right didn't get their way? Nope.
How many public murders have the right committed recently versus the left?

[CNCAppsJames]

The disgusting mainstream media is parroting that this is the result of hate rhetoric from the right.

It's only "hateful" because because thoughtful people don't get behind letting people with the myriad of mental illnesses (gender disphoria, multiple personality disorder, and lycanthropy to name a few) within the left's ranks get away with daying it's "normal".

Real "compassion" says "get some help... there aren't 400 genders man..." or, "girls have an innie, and boys have an outie", and "...no, your dog isn't a vegan...", to name a few.

The left has confused "compassion" with pushing a narrative.

They truly are the party that encourages the mentally ill to explore and really embrace that illness instead of getting help. Though the "help" they would be likely to receive these days is likely worse than the disease. There's an tire industry dedicated to medicating, and exacerbating these people's conditions. Truly a screwed up world we're living in.

[Jeff]

It's only "hateful" because because thoughtful people don't get behind letting people with the myriad of mental illnesses (gender disphoria, multiple personality disorder, and lycanthropy to name a few) within the left's ranks get away with daying it's "normal".

Like this looney bitch?  (even though whoever made this spelled her name wrong)

[Smit]

I don't think (thankfully) there are many truly evil people out there. You can't reason with them.

There are a shit ton of stupid and ignorant people though. You can't reason with them either.

[beej]

Show me anything that is on par with what the left is and has been saying for the last decade.
Aside from the disgusting people on tiktok or Reddit and the like, that video that Del linked is a good depiction.
If anyone on the left had said anything remotely as bad it would have been plastered all over the mainstream media 24/7.

Did anyone hold up a bloody head of Biden or Obama? Nope.
Is there any Conservative media that is spewing hatred like The View and MSNBC and CNN does daily? If there is, show me.

Have there been mass riots across the country because the right didn't get their way? Nope.
How many public murders have the right committed recently versus the left?

I don't watch those shows, mostly for the reasons you describe. But I can't do anything about them either. What I can do, is guard myself. And as iron sharpens iron, so one man another. I will call out what disgusts me when I see it. That bloody head incident was awful. no doubt! But I have to say there are some things that happen here on this forum by people who vote the same as I do that make my stomach turn. Sometimes by people who on one post defend christianity and in another post refer to Michele Obama as an ape, or Mike. Or called a presidential candidate kumbucket. it is disgusting.

Charlie Kirk would have never done that. If you think his life is worthy of honor, act accordingly.

[beej]

this idea that, "at least I'm not as bad as them"  Every single prison I go in to to minister to as people in it, that look at the other felons and say, at least I'm not that guy. I may have raped a woman, but I don't rape kids. Or another guy says, I may have raped a little girl, but I didn't rape little boys.

Get out of the mindset of, I'm not as bad as that guy and live for something greater.

[neurosis]

There are a shit ton of stupid and ignorant people though. You can't reason with them either.

After reading some of the comments in this thread, you start to appreciate how reasonable of a person Beej is. 

Part of the paroblem is people's inability or lack of willingness to self reflect or acknowledge (maybe because they choose to retreat to echo chambers or are constantly feeding their confirmation bias) the flaws in their own party. 

Judging some of the posts I've seen on social media in the past two days, that is definitely NOT limited to one side.

[Brian]

@beej : thanks for articulating what I've been thinking for quite some time now!

I think we all ought to listen to ourselves from time to time and ask ourselves if we might do better! It's not just "the other side" that behaves poorly.

[Del.]

The Left speaks for itself! When their hate is so great for Trump and anyone who voted for him there will be no peace. It's sad and I don't want to be like that but I'm not taking anymore of their shit.

[Jeff]

and in another post refer to Michele Obama as an ape, or Mike. Or called a presidential candidate kumbucket. it is disgusting.

While that is hating on those people, that in no way, compares to the people that are cheering for Charlie Kirk's death or making excuses for it like the msm is doing.
People are making t-shirts with his face and a bullet splattering thru his neck with the caption "debate this". It doesn't even come close to what the left is doing.

[Jeff]

People are trying to make this a "well both sides are guilty" argument when they either haven't seen what is out there or refuse to believe that it's out there.

Again, show me the same level of disgusting hatred coming from the right.

[Del.]

While that is hating on those people, that in no way, compares to the people that are cheering for Charlie Kirk's death or making excuses for it like the msm is doing.
People are making t-shirts with his face and a bullet splattering thru his neck with the caption "debate this". It doesn't even come close to what the left is doing.

My Flag is at half staff on order from the President. There are people out there who hate my guts because of it. For that matter, even flying it at all.