Exposing The Dark Side of America's AI Data Center Explosion

[neurosis]

I thought this was kinda interesting and makes me wonder what is in store for the future of energy production. This can't be sustainable, and it's already affecting the cost of energy.

[YoDoug]

Don't worry, in the future when AI and robots take all the jobs your UBI will not be enough to afford a big house/lifestyle that consumes a lot of energy. You'll be given just enough to stay online and be a commodity consumer.

[CNCAppsJames]

Everything I have read about energy production... we are about 10-15+ years behind demand. AI, Datacenters, and EV's are only exacerbating the issue. Critical is kinda downplaying the problem.  

It is such a national security problem, that the DOE is relaxing facilities usage for testing new and emegring energy generation technologies. 

[beej]

yes but we are only about 10 years away from Nuclear fusion power....10 years! we have been 10 years away from nuclear fusion power for about the last 40 years.

[Brian]

yes but we are only about 10 years away from Nuclear fusion power....10 years! we have been 10 years away from nuclear fusion power for about the last 40 years.

You noticed that, too?

And FSD, too! Elon Musk said so!

Yup....keep selling the future!

[CNCAppsJames]

We were supposed to have a permanent base on the moon 40 years ago...



Turns out stuff ain't easy.



The Three Mile Island accident set us back 40 years on energy policy. Was it a tragedy? Yes. Should we have have ceased using THE best, THE cleanest, and THE most powerful energy source available on earth. NOT A CHANCE! That was idiotic. The greenies were fools then. The greenies are imbeciles today.

#ChangeMyMind

[SuperHoneyBadger]

I hate how much people lean on the big 3 disasters, 3 Mile, Fukushima, and Chernobyl to decry the safest and most ecologically sound generation method. Each of those can be explained by outside political or freak weather factors, and have literally nothing to do with contemporary reactor designs. If you want AI and EVs, you're going to NEED nuclear tea kettles to get it done. Or else you will only have enough energy for those two things.

As for fusion? I have done the homework enough to know that it's not happening in our lifetimes. If ever. It's as grifty as it gets as far as business. The best theory I have heard is that fusion only works at the scale and location of a Sun. You need the cooling factor of near vaccuum, and the space for the reactions to do their work. Putt putt dropping in a few pellets into a laser cannon and using 400Mw to produce 4w (or whatever the NIF shto generated) is NOT electricity generation.

Obviously it gets muddy if you consider Farnsworth's machine, and if he did in fact get it to work, but decided that humanity didn't deserve free energy. Bold assertion, but this is a guy who snubbed the Manhattan Project becuase he didn't want to hurt anyone.

[CNCAppsJames]

Not a single one of those disasters says "nuclear power is not safe". It says 1) Nature gets the final say on EVERYTHING and 2) We humans are falible so we need to build in additional safegauards when/where warranted. 

Chernobyl wasn't a great reactor design. I had the potential for failure if enough things went wrong. The french don't do much right, but nuclear power they do exceptionally well, so, it is possible to do it well and safely. 

The People's Republik of Kommieforniastan is out of options. The last active (not scheduled for decomissioning or already decomissioned) reactor (Diablo Canyon) has a license renewal this year. I think the left wants to decomission it too. Solar can't keep up, and wind can't keep up.

Morons run that state. 

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Chernobyl wasn't a great reactor design. I had the potential for failure if enough things went wrong. The french don't do much right, but nuclear power they do exceptionally well, so, it is possible to do it well and safely. 

Yea, agreed. Those RBMK's have inherent danger from positive void and vertical coolant piping, can't believe the last one only shut down this year tbh. That being said, how many things did the Soviets build that weren't prone to failure or at least somewhat dangerous? That's why I still lean on a failing of the USSR's politics and engineering culture that made those plants deficient.

As for California, what keeps the lights on? They have, I'm sure, some of the most viscous power demands anywhere, and a huge population for the area. They genuinely have only 1 nuclear plant?

[CNCAppsJames]

Kommieforniastan runs on pixie dist and unicorn flatulence.  

And whatever they can buy from Arizona, Nevada, Oregon and Washington. 

[CNCAppsJames]

In all seriousness... they get about 35-ish% from Natural Gas, almost 20% from solar, hydro around 10%, wind around 10%, Nuclear around 10%, with the remaining coming from geothermal coal and whatever else there is. 

[CNCAppsJames]

So VERY soon they could lose 10% if they don't keep Diablo Canyon operating. When the other nuke plants were decommissioned they did not replace that power generation capacity with in-state generation capability. They tried with solar and wind but... it ain't there for reliability reasons alone. 

[jstell]

Everything I have read about energy production... we are about 10-15+ years behind demand. AI, Datacenters, and EV's are only exacerbating the issue. Critical is kinda downplaying the problem. 

It is such a national security problem, that the DOE is relaxing facilities usage for testing new and emegring energy generation technologies.

So why did the orange idiot shut down an almost-built offshore wind installation for Connecticut and Rhode Island?
https://apnews.com/article/offshore-revolution-wind-project-stopped-trump-33214b9efb8f3f7a98c58299581bff9f

[CNCAppsJames]

So why did the orange idiot shut down an almost-built offshore wind installation for Connecticut and Rhode Island?
https://apnews.com/article/offshore-revolution-wind-project-stopped-trump-33214b9efb8f3f7a98c58299581bff9f

Probably for the same reason the dementia addled incontinent octogenarian canceled the Keystone Pipeline. 

 

[riverhunter]

I believe current AI data centers are around 1% of power usage.  That number is projected to rise to 13% within a few years.  Some are working with local gov to create more energy than they will use.

hre is one example. Meta