orange man....Good?

[beej]

from CNN correspondent:

how Trump willed the peace deal into existance

It is too early to declare the war over. A number of issues remain outstanding, and further negotiations could uncover unbridgeable gaps between the two sides.

Yet after months of false hope, stalled progress and entrenched positions, the agreement was a clear victory for a president who has, in recent weeks, seemed intent on willing his plan into reality. He said Wednesday, before announcing the deal, that he planned to travel soon to the region to see it enacted.

At multiple junctures, Trump has plowed ahead with his sweeping 20-point framework, bypassing reservations from both sides of the negotiations about some of its details.

Last month, after Israel made several revisions to text of the plan, some Arab leaders balked and asked the proposal not be made public, people familiar with the situation said. The White House released it anyway, and the Arab leaders got on board.

The 20-point plan that formed the basis for the upcoming hostage release was born in a diplomatic crisis. Israel's brazen strikes targeting Hamas leaders inside Qatar on September 9 were originally viewed inside the White House as so provocative that they could reverse any progress toward ending the war.

Trump had spent much of his presidency cultivating Qatari officials, who had long played a mediating role with Hamas in efforts to end the Gaza conflict. In May, he became the first sitting president to visit the tiny Gulf nation. He accepted an unusual gift from the kingdom: a luxury Boeing 747 that's now being retrofitted to serve as Air Force One.

His close ties to Qatar's leaders made Israel's strikes in Doha all the more galling for Trump. He was furious Netanyahu made little attempt to warn him of Israel's plans. By the time Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff was on the phone with the Qataris to warn them of the pending attack, it had already begun, Qatari officials would later say.

Behind the scenes, the attack aggravated Trump's ongoing vexation at his Israeli counterpart. Netanyahu's expanding military operations in the Middle East had led Trump to wonder why his supposed friend and ally seemed intent on creating regional chaos.

In a heated phone call afterward, Trump excoriated Netanyahu, calling the strikes "unacceptable." The president later told some advisers he thought the prime minister was trying to "f**k" him by stymying efforts toward striking a deal, a person familiar with his comment said. And among some of Trump's allies, concern grew that the president was being played.
Yet amid the fury, another phenomenon was underway. Israel's strikes — which killed a Qatari security officer but did not successfully take out any Hamas leaders — galvanized Arab nations against Israel. And Trump's ire at Netanyahu provided new leverage in an already-fraught relationship.

[TylerBeer]

I'll give trump credit in that I do love how he's sticking it to Bibi.

[beej]

I'll give trump credit in that I do love how he's sticking it to Bibi.

hmmm.... Bibi is calling for Trump to get the nobel peace prize. I'm not sure how that fits with your view of him.

[CNCAppsJames]

Cryler hates Israel. He and his ilk want to see it wiped out of existence. 

Anything he even thinks smells like something that sticks it to Israel he's cheering in the streets about it.

 

[Jeff]

[TylerBeer]

hmmm.... Bibi is calling for Trump to get the nobel peace prize. I'm not sure how that fits with your view of him.

Let's see what happens IN Gaza before that happens.
Bibi calling for it is hilarious given he's a child killing war criminal.

[beej]

Let's see what happens IN Gaza before that happens.
Bibi calling for it is hilarious given he's a child killing war criminal.

the deaths of these children is tragic. do you put all of that on Bibi? Hamas had a say in this war, didn't they?

[jstell]

the deaths of these children is tragic. do you put all of that on Bibi? Hamas had a say in this war, didn't they?

I don't think you can lay this on Netenyahu or Hamas; it's all part of god's plan.

[TylerBeer]

the deaths of these children is tragic. do you put all of that on Bibi? Hamas had a say in this war, didn't they?

Sure and I would put the deaths of Israeli children on Hamas, and then after that whatever Israel did was up to them. They know what they are doing and it's been years of indiscriminate bombing and blocking of aid.

[Rstewart]

Probably out of line and maybe the outlier, but I don't give three shits what happens outside of America.
Can we stop being the world police maybe?

[CNCAppsJames]

Tell us Cryler you have no idea what constitutes a "War Crime" without telling us you have no idea what constitutes a war crime.

 

[CNCAppsJames]

Even arabs don't want people from Gaza (also arabs) in their countries. 

[CNCAppsJames]

:cough:

Article 8 - War Crimes
...
(xxiii) Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations.

:cough: 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

:cough::cough:

Thank you for your service.

[jstell]

Tell us Cryler you have no idea what constitutes a "War Crime" without telling us you have no idea what constitutes a war crime.

Tell us James you are willfully blind to war crimes if they are perpetrated by Israel without telling us you are willfully blind to war crimes being committed by Israel.

Also, Article 8 - War Crimes

(ix) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion,
education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments,
hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected,
provided they are not military objectives;

xxiv) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical
units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of
the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;

(xxv) Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by
depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including
willfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva
Conventions;