War in Venezuela

[YoDoug]

I used to have a very "live and let live" attitude when it came to drugs and the war on drugs. I felt like it was a lot of wasted efforts on the governments part and if people wanted to get they would find a way. However Fentanyl has changed my opinion. The Fentanyl coming across the border is so strong that simple exposure can kill someone. First responders, educators, etc. can accidentally come into contact with it and die. To me that crosses a line. If bombing the shit out of Venezuela, Mexico and any other countries helping to move this killer drug into America stop the flow, then bombs away. Send in specs op and assonate every last cartel member. If there is wealth and money to had from mining rights after elimination of Fentanyl trade, we can just call it reparations to America for damage the cartels and drugs have brought on this country. If a country that harbors cartels does not get on board with swift and harsh measures to eliminate the drug trade, they are not our ally.

[mowens]

Go back for every war - every crusade. It's all about land grab and controlling the resources.
Under the guise of "doing the right thing".... for the crown....

Was Hitler working for "the crown"?

[TylerBeer]

I used to have a very "live and let live" attitude when it came to drugs and the war on drugs. I felt like it was a lot of wasted efforts on the governments part and if people wanted to get they would find a way. However Fentanyl has changed my opinion. The Fentanyl coming across the border is so strong that simple exposure can kill someone. First responders, educators, etc. can accidentally come into contact with it and die. To me that crosses a line. If bombing the shit out of Venezuela, Mexico and any other countries helping to move this killer drug into America stop the flow, then bombs away. Send in specs op and assonate every last cartel member. If there is wealth and money to had from mining rights after elimination of Fentanyl trade, we can just call it reparations to America for damage the cartels and drugs have brought on this country. If a country that harbors cartels does not get on board with swift and harsh measures to eliminate the drug trade, they are not our ally.

... so because Trump is for it?

You don't just get to bomb another country because someone there is doing something you don't like

[YoDoug]

You don't just get to bomb another country because someone there is doing something you don't like

Says who?

[Jeff]

... so because Trump is for it?

You don't just get to bomb another country because someone there is doing something you don't like

What country was bombed?

[Newbeeee™]

Was Hitler working for "the crown"?

Funded by the likes of grandpa Bush oil company, Ford motor etc, all the big money funded "the rise of the Nazi party".
Henry Ford personally received the German Eagle medal in 1938.

Also....obviously there is the official His Story that we're all told, but....

(My Q to chatgpt)
Myth - so you've told me the official answer, but what is the real answer - local stories persisted hitler visited the family there between being groomed/trained for public speaking as he was in the uk under ukGov stewardship being groomed for greater things with the nazi party

(Answer)
That's a fascinating thread — and you're right that local lore in Liverpool has long preserved stories that go beyond the "official" history. Let's unpack both what's known and what the persistent myths claim.


🕰� The official, documented history

As mentioned, the only verified connection between Hitler's family and Liverpool is his half-brother Alois Hitler Jr. living there from 1911–1914 with his Irish wife Bridget Dowling and their son William Patrick Hitler.

Adolf Hitler himself was in Vienna (1908–1913), then in Munich (from 1913 onward), and served in the German Army during World War I (1914–1918).
There's no evidence — passport, travel record, photo, or witness statement — that places him in Britain during that period.

🧩 The Liverpool Hitler legend

However, the story that "Hitler stayed in Liverpool" has circulated locally for decades. It claims that:

In 1912–1913, Adolf supposedly visited Alois and Bridget in Liverpool for several months.

He allegedly stayed at their home on Upper Stanhope Street, spending his days walking by the docks, painting, or visiting museums.

Some versions go further — saying that British authorities or secret societies took an interest in him, and that he received training in oratory, propaganda, or political strategy during this time.

This version stems mainly from Bridget Dowling's memoirs, published posthumously in the 1970s (ghostwritten decades earlier). Historians generally consider these memoirs unreliable, partly because:

They were written long after the events.

There's no corroborating evidence (letters, photos, immigration records).

Hitler's whereabouts in Austria and Munich at the time are fairly well documented.

Still, the myth persists locally — especially in Toxteth — because people enjoy pointing out "Hitler's house," and it fits into the wider fascination with "hidden pre-war connections" and the idea of powerful figures being "groomed" by unseen hands.

🧠 Why the "grooming" or "British intelligence" idea persists

Some speculative researchers and fringe historians argue that Hitler's rise was too sudden and well-organized to have been purely organic — suggesting he may have received early training or support from British or European elites.
However:

There's no verifiable evidence that British intelligence or any UK-based group sponsored Hitler before the 1920s.

The Nazi Party didn't exist until 1920, and Hitler's political career only took off after World War I, when he was in Germany.

🗣� What locals say

Many older Liverpool residents (especially around Toxteth and Dingle) will tell you stories passed down about "Hitler walking the streets" or "staying at Stanhope Street."
These tales have persisted because:

The address really did belong to his family.

People like to connect big historical figures to local places.

It's a compelling "what if" story — Hitler learning oratory in Britain, under some mysterious "grooming" project.

[jstell]

Funded by the likes of grandpa Bush oil company, Ford motor etc, all the big money funded "the rise of the Nazi party".
Henry Ford personally received the German Eagle medal in 1938.

Also....obviously there is the official His Story that we're all told, but....

(My Q to chatgpt)
Myth - so you've told me the official answer, but what is the real answer - local stories persisted hitler visited the family there between being groomed/trained for public speaking as he was in the uk under ukGov stewardship being groomed for greater things with the nazi party

(Answer)
That's a fascinating thread — and you're right that local lore in Liverpool has long preserved stories that go beyond the "official" history. Let's unpack both what's known and what the persistent myths claim.

It's cool that chatgtp is so steeped in conspiracy theories.  Maybe it can find and release the Epstein files... or the pee-pee tapes from Putin's kompromat so we can discover the legend of how Trump was groomed by foreign powers to bring fascism to these shores.

[Newbeeee™]

It's cool that chatgtp is so steeped in conspiracy theories.  Maybe it can find and release the Epstein files... or the pee-pee tapes from Putin's kompromat so we can discover the legend of how Trump was groomed by foreign powers to bring fascism to these shores.

Oh....a non believer

Here's another for you then - UK monarchy King/Queen.

All from German ancestry (Queen Mary was German House of Wurttemburg) and were and went by the name of the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (bit of a long surname).
And, errr, even during WW1, until the Brits got too pissed fighting the Germans, with a German Royal family sat at Buckingham Palace on gold chairs eating fine food while they were rationed and dying.... anyway, public "anti-German feeling" obviously ran VERY strong.
So to "fix" this, in 1917, the year before the end of the war, the Royal family were advised to change their surname.
So they chose Windsor.
Because that sounded English.
Hurrah!

True story.

[Newbeeee™]

^^^^Dafug at the crazy?
You obviously don't know history....

[jstell]

Oh....a non believer

I was aware of the British Hitler cousin, because of Drunk History

And it's certainly no secret that all the northern/western European monarchies were (are?) more or less the same big family for centuries.  Even the Romanovs were inter-married with the British crown, and enjoyed yachting together not long before, well, ya know, their untimely demise.

[jstell]

^^^^Dafug at the crazy?
You obviously don't know history....

Not you crazy.
Crazy that it's true!

[Newbeeee™]

Not you crazy.
Crazy that it's true!

Oh okay....Ze Gurmanz approve zis post yar!

[Newbeeee™]

I was aware of the British Hitler cousin, because of Drunk History

And it's certainly no secret that all the northern/western European monarchies were (are?) more or less the same big family for centuries.  Even the Romanovs were inter-married with the British crown, and enjoyed yachting together not long before, well, ya know, their untimely demise.

Hahahaha Every day's a school day! I never knew about Willy Hitler.
I heard his uncle was a "bit of a dick"....

Yes the families - they're more cross-bred than Allabahama!

[jstell]

That's more true than people realize.
Venezuela is a major transit hub for drugs.

And the Maduro is also the leader of the Cartel of the Suns.

Uh, the only real problem with playing the blame game here is that the CIA taught them how to do it, some odd double-reverse psy-ops sort of thing to flush out the Columbians, they turned Venezuela into a cocaine transfer hub.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/26/meet-the-cia-guns-drugs-and-money/

(AI summary)
Ramon Guillén Dávila, a Venezuelan general, approved a shipment of cocaine to the United States as part of a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) counter-narcotics program in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
Details of the CIA operation involving Guillén:
Guillén was the head of a special CIA-backed counter-narcotics unit within the Venezuelan National Guard.
The program was designed to infiltrate and gather intelligence on Colombian drug cartels.
As part of the operation, the CIA sanctioned "uncontrolled shipments" of cocaine into the U.S., which the agency and Guillén hoped would build trust with drug traffickers.
The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) objected to this strategy, as unlike standard controlled operations, these shipments were not seized at their destination.
One shipment of approximately one ton of cocaine, which was intended to gather intelligence, was ultimately released onto the streets of the U.S. instead of being intercepted.
After the operation came to light, a federal grand jury in Miami indicted Guillén in 1996 for his role in the scheme.

[TylerBeer]

Says who?

I mean, you can, but it hasn't gone that well for American spending and the American people if you look at the  score.