Mastercam Partners with DMG MORI

[CNCAppsJames]

Salty crowd,...

Free fiss.

 

[MIL-TFP-41]

Tough crowd, I went to the SME conference in Montreal last year, I was talking to the DMG guys for a while, their machining centers seemed like good value, I don't know anything about maintenance costs like G was saying, I've never owned a shop, yet.

The cost of their machines has gone up substantially over the past couple of years. This would be for not a super fancy NLX lathe (single turret, dual spindle)

[gcode]

The cost of their machines has gone up substantially over the past couple of years. T

After the nuke plant in Japan got flooded by the tsunami, Germany caught green fever and decommissioned all their nuke plants. They switched to solar and wind but being Northern Europe, it's not real sunny and green energy has not been able to meet demand. They buy a lot of nuke generated electricity from France now, but the bottom line is not enough
electricity and sky high prices for what they have. They've also had to shut down a few electrically powered blast furnaces.
Manufacturing costs are through the roof as a result, and manufactured goods are more expensive, and sometimes in short supply. Go shopping for Haimer tool holders if your don't believe me.
 

[megatronprime]

The cost of their machines has gone up substantially over the past couple of years. This would be for not a super fancy NLX lathe (single turret, dual spindle)

Still u can probably get a bigger work envelope for value than doosan or smt no?

[MIL-TFP-41]

Still u can probably get a bigger work envelope for value than doosan or smt no?

Not even close. DN or SMT is going to give you much more capacity envelope wise, dollar for dollar.

I would guess, for a 3 axis mill, both equally equipped (say a 40X20 class, probing, high pressure, yadda yadda) the DMG/Mori would be 30-50% more money than those 2 brands.

As far as longevity....who knows. DN has come a long ways from what I saw in the early 2000's. And I have never touched one of their (DN's) more advanced machines (something like a multiaxis mill or an NTX knock off), so I have no idea if those are worth a shit or not.  The basic 3 axis mills are solid though.

[megatronprime]

Not even close. DN or SMT is going to give you much more capacity envelope wise, dollar for dollar.

I would guess, for a 3 axis mill, both equally equipped (say a 40X20 class, probing, high pressure, yadda yadda) the DMG/Mori would be 30-50% more money than those 2 brands.

As far as longevity....who knows. DN has come a long ways from what I saw in the early 2000's. And I have never touched one of their (DN's) more advanced machines (something like a multiaxis mill or an NTX knock off), so I have no idea if those are worth a shit or not.  The basic 3 axis mills are solid though.

Yeah I worked in a shop full of new doosans, they were tuff, but those guys were crashing them everyday so it grew harder to hold a tolerance quick

[gcode]

We purchased a couple of HNK (Korea) HBM's a couple of years ago and they have proven to be very good machines.
Excellent prices, Big Plus spindles, 1000 psi though coolant standard, and built like a bank vault.
In 2 years of 24/6 operations, neither machine has gone down over a maintenance issue.
One on them was crashed hard several times by a moron Haas driver who fancied himself a machining god.
He crashed it so hard it destroyed a $500K rotary table we were using for 3+2 ops.
Maintenance powered off them machine, turned it on, rehomed it and it came back up flipped the idiot off and
said, "Is that all you got, bitch?"
I'm a grouchy old fart and hard to impress, but those HNK HBM's have officially impressed me 
edit..  we've also got an OKK VMC that is 13 years old, is as good as new and has not have a minute's downtime
since the day we bought it.

[megatronprime]

Not even close. DN or SMT is going to give you much more capacity envelope wise, dollar for dollar.

I would guess, for a 3 axis mill, both equally equipped (say a 40X20 class, probing, high pressure, yadda yadda) the DMG/Mori would be 30-50% more money than those 2 brands.

As far as longevity....who knows. DN has come a long ways from what I saw in the early 2000's. And I have never touched one of their (DN's) more advanced machines (something like a multiaxis mill or an NTX knock off), so I have no idea if those are worth a shit or not.  The basic 3 axis mills are solid though.

The guy at mmts said I could go home with one for 100 grand, which seemed cheap, i know a small lathe like a puma usually costs 100 grand too, so i was surprised it was a good size machine, with some cam in the control too, seemed very reasonably priced.

[Jeff]

We purchased a couple of HNK (Korea) HBM's a couple of years ago and they have proven to be very good machines.

Korea makes really good machines.
I've always touted Hyundai-Wia mills. We have 2 of them. Our first one is 16+ years old, plain jane 3 axis cat 40, 12k spindle. Zero issues and the brand new price was about $55k.
Our 2nd one is 3 years old, 30x80 machine KF7600L and I'm seriously impressed with the newer machine. $285k WITH a $70k Tsudakoma rotary, Renishaw probe and touch setter.
I highly recommend people consider them if they're in the market for a mill. They're not speed demons, but value per dollar is excellent.

[Here's Johnny!]

Korea makes really good machines.

I would bet that a lot of the Korean machines are manufactured in the same plant or they use parts from the same suppliers. DN and Hyundai 3 axis machines look very similar.

[Newbeeee™]

I would bet that a lot of the Korean machines are manufactured in the same plant or they use parts from the same suppliers. DN and Hyundai 3 axis machines look very similar.

Prolly same as Taiwan.... where they have a "central design centre" and then the commodity manufacturers build from the centre's prints. Or the centre, will design for them.

Obviously.... the big boys have their own design department....

[CNCAppsJames]

BITD... several Korean and Taiwanese builders used Mori Seiki SL casting designs. My hunch is they bought new or used tore them apart and reverse engineered them. I was at a show and they had a few exposed machines. 

[gcode]

Back in the early 80's when I was self employed and looking for a knee mill
,a Bridgeport was $7K and a 6 month wait.

A Taiwanese SuperMax was $1500 available the next day.
Of course the Bridgeport was a better machine, but not 4 times better.
Dimensionally, they were identical. The biggest difference was that the SuperMax used metric fasteners.
 

[Newbeeee™]

The biggest difference was that the SuperMax used metric fasteners.

FTW

They quickly came-along in leaps and bounds.
Feeler made their equivalent of the Hardinge HCT and it was REALLY sweet.
@Here's Johnny! has another Taiwan copy of the Hardinge (Alex?) that he swears by.

[gcode]

They quickly came-along in leaps and bounds.

Yes... the small Toyoda bridgemill we have is an excellent machine.
Toyoda is a Japanese brand but this machine is built in Taiwan under license.
We have had trouble with it, but it was self induced and I don't blame the builder.