ICE Reform demands

[Smit]

It looks like DHS is going to be defunded soon because the Repugs are bitching about the Dems ICE reform requests.

I don't understand what the Repugs are bitching about because all these things should already be happening!

LEADERS JEFFRIES AND SCHUMER DELIVER URGENT ICE REFORM DEMANDS TO REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP

Targeted Enforcement – DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant. End indiscriminate arrests and improve warrant procedures and standards. Require verification that a person is not a U.S. citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
   
No Masks – Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing face coverings.
   
Require ID – Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name. Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.
   
Protect Sensitive Locations – Prohibit funds from being used to conduct enforcement near sensitive locations, including medical facilities, schools, child-care facilities, churches, polling places, courts, etc.
   
Stop Racial Profiling – Prohibit DHS officers from conducting stops, questioning and searches based on an individual's presence at certain locations, their job, their spoken language and accent or their race and ethnicity.
   
Uphold Use of Force Standards – Place into law a reasonable use of force policy, expand training and require certification of officers. In the case of an incident, the officer must be removed from the field until an investigation is conducted.
   
Ensure State and Local Coordination and Oversight – Preserve the ability of State and local jurisdictions to investigate and prosecute potential crimes and use of excessive force incidents. Require that evidence is preserved and shared with jurisdictions. Require the consent of States and localities to conduct large-scale operations outside of targeted immigration enforcement.
   
Build Safeguards into the System – Make clear that all buildings where people are detained must abide by the same basic detention standards that require immediate access to a person's attorney to prevent citizen arrests or detention. Allow states to sue DHS for violations of all requirements. Prohibit limitations on Member visits to ICE facilities regardless of how those facilities are funded.
   
Body Cameras for Accountability, Not Tracking – Require use of body-worn cameras when interacting with the public and mandate requirements for the storage and access of footage. Prohibit tracking, creating or maintaining databases of individuals participating in First Amendment activities.
   
No Paramilitary Police – Regulate and standardize the type of uniforms and equipment DHS officers carry during enforcement operations to bring them in line with civil enforcement.

[Rstewart]

Well, guess I can bitch about something on Repub side.
Fuckin senator John Thune.  Moral Coward, couldn't get on board with only Americans voting in American elections.

[jstell]

only Americans voting in American elections.

You are bitching about something that already happens so rarely as to be statistically insignificant .0000037:1.

Texas voter records from 2016 and found 33 (not 33k, just 33) votes cast by non-citizens - out of 8,969,226 votes cast (.00037%).

[jstell]

Targeted Enforcement – DHS officers cannot enter private property without a judicial warrant. End indiscriminate arrests and improve warrant procedures and standards. Require verification that a person is not a U.S. citizen before holding them in immigration detention.
   
No Masks – Prohibit ICE and immigration enforcement agents from wearing face coverings.
   
Require ID – Require DHS officers conducting immigration enforcement to display their agency, unique ID number and last name. Require them to verbalize their ID number and last name if asked.

Oh no, they would have to behave within the standards of how law enforcement is required to behave in this country. 

[Bucky Cornstarch]

You are bitching about something that already happens so rarely as to be statistically insignificant .0000037:1.

Texas voter records from 2016 and found 33 (not 33k, just 33) votes cast by non-citizens - out of 8,969,226 votes cast (.00037%).

This information has been presented before, but lil' Stewie, like most Trump disciples, is impervious to facts.

[CADCAM396]

I will put this right here. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/enough-with-the-gaslighting-on-ice/ar-AA1Wylsn?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=01510677f61049e8aaa691aa3025fc2e&ei=25

could not have said it better myself and no I will not change my mind.

[Smit]

could not have said it better myself and no I will not change my mind.

Alright. Are you also OK with ICE not having proper warrants when they want to enter your home? How about throwing people in prison (detention, concentration camps, day spas, whatever terminology you prefer) without due process?

[Rstewart]

This is real simple. 
Immigrants, illegals, freedom seekers, etc that have a record of offenses (crimes including Assault, robbery, or worse) are getting wrapped up.
Their due process comes when the judge looks at their Lack of immigration paperwork or Overstayed visa.  At this point you get to go back to where you came from - should be a 30min or less hearing.

Every Immigrant, whether invited over, overstayed, or snuck in, has broken the law just by being here.
I believe that if you're a law abiding immigrant, we should then offer a path to citizenship.  This would require real work on their part - civics test, community service, and vow to hold no allegiance towards foreign nations.  The first three years, no financial assistance.

[gcode]

Fuckin senator John Thune.  Moral Coward, couldn't get on board with only Americans voting in American elections.

Mitch McConnell as well, despite the fact that a large majority of his constituents support it.
I suspect Mitch is in the same boat Biden was, so old and feeble minded that his handlers are making all the the decisions and casting all his votes.

[CADCAM396]

Alright. Are you also OK with ICE not having proper warrants when they want to enter your home? How about throwing people in prison (detention, concentration camps, day spas, whatever terminology you prefer) without due process?
[/quote]

no not in your context
but in mine. if you enter my home un invited I reserve the right to go in throw your a$$ out and kick you to the curb.
do you understand the difference?

[mowens]

Every Immigrant, whether invited over, overstayed, or snuck in, has broken the law just by being here.

Are you sure that you meant every immigrant has broken the law?

I sometimes think faster than I type and words get left out. Did that happen here?

[mowens]

Alright. Are you also OK with ICE not having proper warrants when they want to enter your home? How about throwing people in prison (detention, concentration camps, day spas, whatever terminology you prefer) without due process?


no not in your context
but in mine. if you enter my home un invited I reserve the right to go in throw your a$$ out and kick you to the curb.
do you understand the difference?

A better analogy than someone breaking into your home would be a squatter living in an empty house. You can't just go in and start getting physical if they refuse to leave. You could be charged with various crimes. You would have to go through legal means to evict them.
I think Smit's point is that the government is not going through those prescribed legal means.

[Rstewart]

Are you sure that you meant every immigrant has broken the law?

I sometimes think faster than I type and words get left out. Did that happen here?

Yes, I'm sorry
Every immigrant lacking a Visa, overstayed visa, or no paperwork at all.

[jstell]

This is real simple. 
Immigrants, illegals, freedom seekers, etc that have a record of offenses (crimes including Assault, robbery, or worse) are getting wrapped up.
Their due process comes when the judge looks at their Lack of immigration paperwork or Overstayed visa.  At this point you get to go back to where you came from - should be a 30min or less hearing.

I am really curious where you get your information from.  You have stated that you don't watch Fox, or look at Truth   Social.
Everything you've said above is false.  Where do you get this?
Some of the people getting rounded up have a record of offences.  Many/most are just "on the list" including US citizens and permanent residents (green card).  Many are actively working thru visa processes.
They are being arrested on administrative warrants, which do not allow entrance to private residence or business.  These warrants are not signed by a judge.  They are created internally by DHS/CBP/ICE.
Folks are being snatched up and rendered to holding facilities in Texas or Arizona and elsewhere, then scheduled for deportation without a hearing.  No judge is looking at this.  There is no due process.  There is only unrestrained ICE.

[jstell]

I will put this right here. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/enough-with-the-gaslighting-on-ice/ar-AA1Wylsn?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=01510677f61049e8aaa691aa3025fc2e&ei=25

could not have said it better myself and no I will not change my mind.

This article contains some accuracies and some gatewaypundit-level bs.

Americans are not turning soft on illegal immigration; they are reacting to politicized and overdramatized tragedy in real time.

Secure borders is a great goal.  I see ICE, but I don't see borders.  Are they securing the border, or just creating a political circus? 

Vigorous ICE enforcement is not "nasty" –– it is necessary restoration of order.

Law and order is a great goal.  But that is not what is happening.  It's just boot-licking thuggery.