Election Audits

[Smit]

Just to add to that and then I'll but out because I haven't followed the election fraud news enough to give an education opinion either way - This guy does sound like a bit of a kook.

You know this but I'll say it anyway.

The Repugs alredy know what they want to hear, they just need to find somebody with zero integrity to say it to them. Unfortunately there are plenty of kooks who are more than happy to do just that.

[Jon@NOWHERE]

Just to add to that and then I'll but out because I haven't followed the election fraud news enough to give an education opinion either way - This guy does sound like a bit of a kook.

You know this but I'll say it anyway.

The Repugs alredy know what they want to hear, they just need to find somebody with zero integrity to say it to them. Unfortunately there are plenty of kooks who are more than happy to do just that.

Hey Pot, I would like to introduce you to kettle....

You realize that you just described yourself and your side during all of Trump's term.

[gcode]

Hey Pot, I would like to introduce you to kettle....

You realize that you just described yourself and your side during all of Trump's term.

and both of Bush's terms.. the Dem's never accepted Bush's 2000 win or Trump's 2016 win.
In fact they spent millions of tax paper dollars trying to unwind Trump's win

Suddenly voting machines are impregnable fortresses and 2020 was the safest most secure
election ever. If that were true, the Dem's would welcome the chance to prove it

[Here's Johnny!]

The Dims on how secure the voting machines are!

https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1417178930797113350?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1417178930797113350%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwelovetrump.com%2F2021%2F07%2F19%2Fflashback-video-shows-democrats-admitting-voting-machines-can-be-hacked%2F">https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/st ... -hacked%2F">https://mobile.twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1417178930797113350?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1417178930797113350%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwelovetrump.com%2F2021%2F07%2F19%2Fflashback-video-shows-democrats-admitting-voting-machines-can-be-hacked%2F

[Jim at Gentex]

In recent polling, the majority of Americans support voter ID because they don't trust elections. The Dems opposing forensic audits just adds to that mistrust and makes them look even more guilty.

Our goofy Governor has been dead set against Voter ID for years, using his veto power to overrule the State Legislature on that issue.
Now, all of a sudden, he changed his tune and is on board with Voter ID.
With all of this talk about audits, he is suddenly willing to budge on Voter ID, but he is DEAD SET against any kind of auditing.  

When career politicians do a 180 on ANY issue, it usually means there is something to be gained, or there is a bigger issue they are deflecting from.

[neurosis]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13503 time=1626896244 user_id=83]
Our goofy Governor has been dead set against Voter ID for years, using his veto power to overrule the State Legislature on that issue.
Now, all of a sudden, he changed his tune and is on board with Voter ID.
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So what is the logical argument against voter ID?  Are people against having to purchase a specific ID for voting? Or opposed to showing and ID to vote?

[YoDoug]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13503 time=1626896244 user_id=83]
Our goofy Governor has been dead set against Voter ID for years, using his veto power to overrule the State Legislature on that issue.
Now, all of a sudden, he changed his tune and is on board with Voter ID.

So what is the logical argument against voter ID?  Are people against having to purchase a specific ID for voting? Or opposed to showing and ID to vote?
[/quote]

The left likes to claim that there are a lot of people that can't get an ID, however you need an ID for just about everything in life so it is not really a valid argument. In reality the number of people that can't get an ID is probably so small that other means to verify them could easily be instituted. However, 1 person-1vote is not what the Dems are after. They want ballot harvesting without any controls to prove where the ballots came from or who filled them out.

[DUM1]

In all reality do we really believe that any votes count ?
seems to me doesn't matter how any of us vote there's some " agenda " whatever going on and were all just prawns on the barbee .
Just hade a vote in the small town I live in here in Oregon to build a new town hall .
They want ten million , above the few million they already have rat holed away.
an added property tax levy for another 1% of the crazy property taxes we already pay here in Oregon  for ten years .
they say it passed overwhelmingly , when I go to see the vote count I cant find it anywhere , they didn't say what the vote count was .
so a huge 15 mil for a place to collect the county fees and what not ? who would vote for more taxes ?

[neurosis]

The left likes to claim that there are a lot of people that can't get an ID, however you need an ID for just about everything in life so it is not really a valid argument. In reality the number of people that can't get an ID is probably so small that other means to verify them could easily be instituted. However, 1 person-1vote is not what the Dems are after. They want ballot harvesting without any controls to prove where the ballots came from or who filled them out.

Here is an interesting article from Vox.  I wouldn't have expected an article like this from them.  Generally speaking, they pretty much bash anything right leaning.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research">https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... y-research">https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research

[CADCAM396]

Washington state hands out drivers licenses like candy. to any one legal citizen or not.
here is the clincher, they register you to vote when you get a license.
then you get your ballot in the mail.
what could possibly go wrong with that system? lol  and guess who supports it.
they have been talking legal federal id requirements for 4-5 years or better but keep kicking the can down the road.

[Jeff]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=13503 time=1626896244 user_id=83]
 he is DEAD SET against any kind of auditing.
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Of course he is, because he's afraid of the truth coming out that he wasn't legally voted into office, just like our braindead governor. And useless senator who amazingly had a record come-from-behind last minute (1:30am cough cough) victory over the new R candidate that had a massive lead.

[YoDoug]

The left likes to claim that there are a lot of people that can't get an ID, however you need an ID for just about everything in life so it is not really a valid argument. In reality the number of people that can't get an ID is probably so small that other means to verify them could easily be instituted. However, 1 person-1vote is not what the Dems are after. They want ballot harvesting without any controls to prove where the ballots came from or who filled them out.

Here is an interesting article from Vox.  I wouldn't have expected an article like this from them.  Generally speaking, they pretty much bash anything right leaning.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research">https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... y-research">https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/voter-id-laws-fraud-turnout-study-research

You are not going to find a left leaning site or study that says voter ID reduces fraud because then they would have to admit there is voter fraud. Their stance has always been there is no voter fraud of any significance.

[neurosis]

You are not going to find a left leaning site or study that says voter ID reduces fraud because then they would have to admit there is voter fraud. Their stance has always been there is no voter fraud of any significance.

I wouldn't expect VOX to publish an article saying that anything the republicans supported reduced voter fraud.     What I found interesting, is that they published an article saying that the study found that voter id laws also "don't reduce voter turnout". IOW, they aren't suppressing anything.  

I notice that anyone opposed to voter id laws always use phrases like "suppresses eligible voters" but don't really discuss what percentage of those eligible voters are actually voting.

[beej]

2016 state rep election.  St Louis, Mo   these news stories sum up the problems with elections pretty well.  read them in order.  At first judge Burlison recognized irregularities....little things like the fact that ballots were counted that showed up with out envelopes.  Bruce Franks won the election base on people who showed up at the polls but Penny Hubbard won based on absentee ballots. But as the investigation grew the truth eventually came out.

sept16,2016
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/judge-orders-new-election-for-hubbard-franks-state-representative-race-in-st-louis/article_0df17a1d-db2b-5b8f-a583-80f28ef0e73f.html">https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/gov ... 0e73f.html">https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/judge-orders-new-election-for-hubbard-franks-state-representative-race-in-st-louis/article_0df17a1d-db2b-5b8f-a583-80f28ef0e73f.html

dec,2016
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-prosecutor-uncovers-important-evidence-in-voter-fraud-probe-turns-case-over-to-feds/article_3986c015-a31a-591d-a99d-f72362d6f92f.html">https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/met ... 6f92f.html">https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/st-louis-prosecutor-uncovers-important-evidence-in-voter-fraud-probe-turns-case-over-to-feds/article_3986c015-a31a-591d-a99d-f72362d6f92f.html

[Jeff]

I notice that anyone opposed to voter id laws always use phrases like "suppresses eligible voters" but don't really discuss what percentage of those eligible voters are actually voting.

Don't forget that voter id laws are also racist.... supposedly.
Of course that's their answer to everything that infringes upon their racist narrative.