Vaccination and work

[gcode]

Most people at my shop are not vaccinated and have no plans to do so.
About 40 guys got sick, mostly mild flu like symptoms, a few had to go into the hospital
one guy was in and out of the hospital 3 times and is still not 100%
Another, a healthy guy in his mid 50's was out for 3 months, back for 2 weeks, out for
2 more months and now he's back again waiting on test results
He has 30% lung capacity now and is going for full disability.
For most, covid seems to be no big deal, for some it's a life changing event and
for some it's a life ending event.

[JParis]

Anyway, deaths within 28 days from having the stab = 5522 and it also breaks down what jab the person had (RIP).
This is in a country of 5.5 million (with 4 mill on 1x and 3mill on 2x jabs).

Even you have to admit, that number, all by itself is meaningless...

When you factor in the fact that "most" people choosing to get "the jab" are older, many with already underlying health conditions and
the mere fact they cannot attribute the death to the jab, only the timing of it. It places that number into the realm of meh.

[Jim at Gentex]

For any who don't know...The English Gov will not show data regarding vaccyseeen deaths.
However, Scotland will....it maybe because they got peed off of all the freedom of information requests from the public!
Anyway, deaths within 28 days from having the stab = 5522 and it also breaks down what jab the person had (RIP).
This is in a country of 5.5 million (with 4 mill on 1x and 3mill on 2x jabs).
It doesn't give any info regarding any side effects (mild or serious), but one would expect they would be FAR higher than deaths?
https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-23-june-2021/">https://publichealthscotland.scot/publi ... june-2021/">https://publichealthscotland.scot/publications/covid-19-statistical-report/covid-19-statistical-report-23-june-2021/

FYI...
When you pass on one of the links like the one you posted above to someone in the pro-vaxxer crowd, you invariably get the answer:
"Well, that website is run by an anti-vaxxer group, so it can't be trusted."

I know because I have heard the same thing from people in my own family.

[neurosis]

For any who don't know...The English Gov will not show data regarding vaccyseeen deaths.
However, Scotland will

It seems like there has been a misrepresentation of the study, especially on some specific sites.  I noticed that they are clear to point out in the study that -

Analyses are presented to show the number of deaths occurring within 28 days of receipt of a
COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland from 8 December 2020 (the beginning of the COVID-19
Vaccination Programme) to 11 June 2021. The analysis includes all recorded deaths due to
any cause and does not refer to deaths caused by the vaccine itself. As the vaccination
programme is being rolled out to the entire adult population, many people will experience an
illness or death in the days following their vaccination by coincidence. This is particularly the
case for those vaccinated early in the programme, when the programme prioritised the very
elderly population and those with pre-existing underlying health conditions. In order to
account for this, we have compared the total number of observed deaths per month to the

number we would have expected, based on the average number of deaths that occurred per
month (by age band and gender) for the same time-period between 2015 and 2019. This is
called excess mortality.

Even more confusing when looking at some of the reports -

Between 8 December 2020 and 11 June 2021, a total of 5,522 people died within 28 days of
receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Scotland (number of days between vaccine and death is
0-27, where 0 is the day of vaccination, all age groups). A breakdown of these deaths by day
and vaccine type is available in the spreadsheet provided along with this report. Using the
5-year average monthly death rate (by age band and gender) from 2015 to 2019 for
comparison, 8,718 deaths would have been expected among the vaccinated population
within 28 days of receiving their COVID-19 vaccination. This means the observed number of
deaths is lower than expected compared with mortality rates for the same time period in
previous years (dose 1 observed/expected ratio:0.66, 95%CI= 0.64 to 0.69; dose 2
observed/expected ratio: 0.59, 95%CI=0.57 to 0.62).

[Shazam/TPP]

Even you have to admit, that number, all by itself is meaningless...

When you factor in the fact that "most" people choosing to get "the jab" are older, many with already underlying health conditions and
the mere fact they cannot attribute the death to the jab, only the timing of it. It places that number into the realm of meh.

with all due respect JP, you can use that same argument about covid deaths, the powers that be made sure the nursing homes were loaded with covid....

just like every disease out there, it affects people differently. jmho

[YoDoug]

IMO, this whole Covid risk and vax or no vax should really be starting a greater discussion about what is considered healthy in today's society. 2 out 3 Americans are pre-diabetic or diabetic. Over 40% are overweight/obese. Nearly 70% of people over 60 take more than one prescription with many taking 4 or more. The number one prescribed type of medication is statins. What if the the next "Covid" manages to be come more severe but remain very contagious? It's only a matter of time.

[YoDoug]

In other Covid Vax related news. The "punk" band offspring, in an amazing display of conformity, fired their drummer for not getting vaxxed even after his doctor recommended against it because of pre-existing health concerns. In a follow up statement the band announced they will be growing out their mohawks to start wearing manbuns.

 https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-band-offspring-fires-drummer-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine-due-to-his-pre-existing-conditions/">https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-ban ... onditions/">https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-band-offspring-fires-drummer-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine-due-to-his-pre-existing-conditions/

[Del.]

Statins have saved my life I am certain of.

[ghuns]

In other Covid Vax related news. The "punk" band offspring, in an amazing display of conformity, fired their drummer for not getting vaxxed even after his doctor recommended against it because of pre-existing health concerns. In a follow up statement the band announced they will be growing out their mohawks to start wearing manbuns.

 https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-band-offspring-fires-drummer-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine-due-to-his-pre-existing-conditions/">https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-ban ... onditions/">https://www.survivethenews.com/punk-band-offspring-fires-drummer-for-refusing-to-take-covid-vaccine-due-to-his-pre-existing-conditions/

Not that he knows more than the drummer's personal physician, but the lead singer, Dexter Holland, has a PHD in molecular biology. So he knows a little.
 
He also makes a great hot sauce called Gringo Bandito.

[YoDoug]

Statins have saved my life I am certain of.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should throw away their scripts. They save lives. However, they only treat the symptoms, not the underlying causes. I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head but the amount of people on statins that have a major heart/stroke incident within 10 years is alarming. A few years ago my doctor said he would put me on them if he didn't see a change on my next years physical. I asked how long would I need to be on them, he said forever. IMO, if I need to be on a medication forever it is not a cure, it is only treating the symptoms. 20 years ago I had a doctor prescribe Prilosec for heartburn. It messed up my system to the point that I was even worse without them. Even just a few years ago when I ask my last doctor how to get off of them, his answer was you won't be able to. So I took matters into my own hands, researched and then changed my life/diet. I ate the right kinds of foods to fix my gut biome, which in turn fixed my heartburn problem. I eat spicy foods all the time now without any issues. I also have good results from blood/heart tests as well. I have had multiple doctors, with waiting rooms full of big pharma literature, tell me scripts were the only way, not one has ever suggested proper nutrition. Probably because the big food industry has bought their way into the FDA/USDA and the nutrition training doctors get is framed by big industry money.

[pmartin]

Statins have saved my life I am certain of.

Do you put it in the water like fluoride?

[pmartin]

Statins have saved my life I am certain of.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should throw away their scripts. They save lives. However, they only treat the symptoms, not the underlying causes. I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head but the amount of people on statins that have a major heart/stroke incident within 10 years is alarming. A few years ago my doctor said he would put me on them if he didn't see a change on my next years physical. I asked how long would I need to be on them, he said forever. IMO, if I need to be on a medication forever it is not a cure, it is only treating the symptoms. 20 years ago I had a doctor prescribe Prilosec for heartburn. It messed up my system to the point that I was even worse without them. Even just a few years ago when I ask my last doctor how to get off of them, his answer was you won't be able to. So I took matters into my own hands, researched and then changed my life/diet. I ate the right kinds of foods to fix my gut biome, which in turn fixed my heartburn problem. I eat spicy foods all the time now without any issues. I also have good results from blood/heart tests as well. I have had multiple doctors, with waiting rooms full of big pharma literature, tell me scripts were the only way, not one has ever suggested proper nutrition. Probably because the big food industry has bought their way into the FDA/USDA and the nutrition training doctors get is framed by big industry money.

Here is an honest question. In your opinion how would you rank the following animal proteins from best to worst, beef, pork, lamb, fish, eggs, dairy. While I am unlikely to full on vegan I have been thinking that it would be a good idea to cut down on the amount of meat that I eat on a daily basis.

[neurosis]

Did anyone bother reading the study before commenting on it?      I mean literally anyone?  

[pmartin]

Did anyone bother reading the study before commenting on it?      I mean literally anyone?  

REPORTED!

[gcode]

Did anyone bother reading the study before commenting on it?      I mean literally anyone?  

I didn't read the study.. and didn't comment
I'm at the point where if their lips are moving they're lying
If these asshats told me it was a nice sunny day, I'd break out my winter coat