Vaccination and work

[YoDoug]

Here is the thing about BMI, it is not an absolute standard. There are many variables that make it invalid in some cases. However it is still valid in many cases. Before I decided to change my lifestyle and health, I was 5' 11" and 215 lbs. That is right at the intersection of overweight and obese. I had a big old gut, wore size 38 pants. I'd say it was pretty accurate. Now I wear a size 32 and it says I m on the border of overweight. Now that I have lost weight and gained muscle it is probably not very accurate. I think the biggest variable that makes it less accurate is muscle. The more muscle you have the more skewed the results. Seeing as how the majority of Americans get little to no exercise and only a small portion of those that exercise do strength conditioning, I would guess it is still a fairly accurate assessment. Again the "take a walk through a midwestern Walmart" comment applies. I would probably say it is safe to say at least a 10:1 ratio of people who look out of shape versus those that look like they have a lot of muscle. Depending on the day it could even more.

[Incogneeto]

Here is the thing about BMI, it is not an absolute standard. There are many variables that make it invalid in some cases. However it is still valid in many cases. Before I decided to change my lifestyle and health, I was 5' 11" and 215 lbs. That is right at the intersection of overweight and obese. I had a big old gut, wore size 38 pants. I'd say it was pretty accurate. Now I wear a size 32 and it says I m on the border of overweight. Now that I have lost weight and gained muscle it is probably not very accurate. I think the biggest variable that makes it less accurate is muscle. The more muscle you have the more skewed the results. Seeing as how the majority of Americans get little to no exercise and only a small portion of those that exercise do strength conditioning, I would guess it is still a fairly accurate assessment. Again the "take a walk through a midwestern Walmart" comment applies. I would probably say it is safe to say at least a 10:1 ratio of people who look out of shape versus those that look like they have a lot of muscle. Depending on the day it could even more.

I'm wearing 38's huge gut. trying to get out of this hole. my prob is knocking down a few...6... and then feasting on comfort foods.
try not to eat breakfast and water for lunch. drinking has to stop it just feeds overeating and then bed.

in a deep hole. forced myself on the bike yesterday and made it 4 blocks in a circle. gonna ride again tonite.
Been here for 2 years time for a change.

you are agressive on your approach.....But maybe that is what is needed for some......Thanks

I'm Listening.

[YoDoug]

Here is the thing about BMI, it is not an absolute standard. There are many variables that make it invalid in some cases. However it is still valid in many cases. Before I decided to change my lifestyle and health, I was 5' 11" and 215 lbs. That is right at the intersection of overweight and obese. I had a big old gut, wore size 38 pants. I'd say it was pretty accurate. Now I wear a size 32 and it says I m on the border of overweight. Now that I have lost weight and gained muscle it is probably not very accurate. I think the biggest variable that makes it less accurate is muscle. The more muscle you have the more skewed the results. Seeing as how the majority of Americans get little to no exercise and only a small portion of those that exercise do strength conditioning, I would guess it is still a fairly accurate assessment. Again the "take a walk through a midwestern Walmart" comment applies. I would probably say it is safe to say at least a 10:1 ratio of people who look out of shape versus those that look like they have a lot of muscle. Depending on the day it could even more.

I'm wearing 38's huge gut. trying to get out of this hole. my prob is knocking down a few...6... and then feasting on comfort foods.
try not to eat breakfast and water for lunch. drinking has to stop it just feeds overeating and then bed.

in a deep hole. forced myself on the bike yesterday and made it 4 blocks in a circle. gonna ride again tonite.
Been here for 2 years time for a change.

you are agressive on your approach.....But maybe that is what is needed for some......Thanks

I'm Listening.

Except for one margarita on my birthday, I am at a month without any alcohol. Prior to that I probably had 5-8 drinks a week. Not a ton but still probably an extra 3000-5000 calories a week. I have been working so hard on getting in shape but I really just can't seem to get below 15% body fat or so. I figured I need to give up alcohol and sugar to get down to 10-12%. I have dropped 5 lbs in the last month without alcohol and minimal sugar intake. I don't know that it will be something I am willing to do perpetually to maintain it, but I want to have fully defined 6-pack abs at least once in my life. Probably would have been easier to try to get there at 25 years old rather than the 48 I am now.

FWIW, I lost 40 of the 50 lbs I lost while still eating meat and dairy. I only made the switch a year or so ago. You can get healthier without having to go vegan. You just need to make sure you are burning more than you are taking in. I still loosely track my calories with myfitnesspal app.

[Incogneeto]

Here is the thing about BMI, it is not an absolute standard. There are many variables that make it invalid in some cases. However it is still valid in many cases. Before I decided to change my lifestyle and health, I was 5' 11" and 215 lbs. That is right at the intersection of overweight and obese. I had a big old gut, wore size 38 pants. I'd say it was pretty accurate. Now I wear a size 32 and it says I m on the border of overweight. Now that I have lost weight and gained muscle it is probably not very accurate. I think the biggest variable that makes it less accurate is muscle. The more muscle you have the more skewed the results. Seeing as how the majority of Americans get little to no exercise and only a small portion of those that exercise do strength conditioning, I would guess it is still a fairly accurate assessment. Again the "take a walk through a midwestern Walmart" comment applies. I would probably say it is safe to say at least a 10:1 ratio of people who look out of shape versus those that look like they have a lot of muscle. Depending on the day it could even more.

I'm wearing 38's huge gut. trying to get out of this hole. my prob is knocking down a few...6... and then feasting on comfort foods.
try not to eat breakfast and water for lunch. drinking has to stop it just feeds overeating and then bed.

in a deep hole. forced myself on the bike yesterday and made it 4 blocks in a circle. gonna ride again tonite.
Been here for 2 years time for a change.

you are agressive on your approach.....But maybe that is what is needed for some......Thanks

I'm Listening.

 Probably would have been easier to try to get there at 25 years old rather than the 60 I am now.

Fixed.  I have cut the dairy and the meat down to acceptable levels. . Cant do the veggies do to Ulcerative Colitus..some but not much. But Fruit is my best friend I can eat it for breakfast and lunch and no probs in fact it is soo much better ,Not weighed down and seems to metabolize. Lastly is hiding in my apartment... I have to get out.

Remember...The sign of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

[CNCAppsJames]

FWIW, I lost 40 of the 50 lbs I lost while still eating meat and dairy. I only made the switch a year or so ago. [size=200]You can get healthier without having to go vegan.[/size]

Heretic!!!!!

Burn him at the stake!!!



j/k

[HTM01]

FWIW, I lost 40 of the 50 lbs I lost while still eating meat and dairy. I only made the switch a year or so ago.
he must have been hacked

[HTM01]

Here is the thing about BMI, it is not an absolute standard. There are many variables that make it invalid in some cases. However it is still valid in many cases. Before I decided to change my lifestyle and health, I was 5' 11" and 215 lbs. That is right at the intersection of overweight and obese. I had a big old gut, wore size 38 pants. I'd say it was pretty accurate. Now I wear a size 32 and it says I m on the border of overweight. Now that I have lost weight and gained muscle it is probably not very accurate. I think the biggest variable that makes it less accurate is muscle. The more muscle you have the more skewed the results. Seeing as how the majority of Americans get little to no exercise and only a small portion of those that exercise do strength conditioning, I would guess it is still a fairly accurate assessment. Again the "take a walk through a midwestern Walmart" comment applies. I would probably say it is safe to say at least a 10:1 ratio of people who look out of shape versus those that look like they have a lot of muscle. Depending on the day it could even more.

I'm wearing 38's huge gut. trying to get out of this hole. my prob is knocking down a few...6... and then feasting on comfort foods.
try not to eat breakfast and water for lunch. drinking has to stop it just feeds overeating and then bed.

in a deep hole. forced myself on the bike yesterday and made it 4 blocks in a circle. gonna ride again tonite.
Been here for 2 years time for a change.

you are agressive on your approach.....But maybe that is what is needed for some......Thanks

I'm Listening.

don't skip breakfast, your body goes into starvation mode

[YoDoug]

FWIW, I lost 40 of the 50 lbs I lost while still eating meat and dairy. I only made the switch a year or so ago.

That's why I said healthier. You can be healthier but still have higher risk of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. The bottom line is in every large scale study done that looks at all cause mortality and diet, the more plants eaten and less animal products eaten, the lower the all cause mortality rates. Vegans/vegetarians live 5-10 years longer than meat eaters. They also take far less prescription meds and use less medical care, aka, better quality of health/life. For me personally, I lost 40 lbs and dropped my cholesterol and blood pressure while still eating animal products. They all came down into "normal" ranges but plateaued there. Normal being relative to the general public. The general public, as evidenced by the rising rates of chronic illness, is not what I want to compared to. That's like wondering if you are a decent person and then comparing yourself to the biggest a-hole jerk you know and thinking well I'm only a mild d-bag compared to that guy.

[Tim Johnson]

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don't skip breakfast, your body goes into starvation mode
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I eat breakfast about once a month. My alarm goes off at 2:00 AM and my first food is usually 8:00 AM. About 15 slices of jumbo pepperoni today.

[neurosis]

Vegans/vegetarians live 5-10 years longer than meat eaters.

Is that because they eat less meat, or is it because typically, they live healthier life styles in general? Most people I know who live a vegetarian/vegan life style also drink less if at all, don't smoke, are less likely to do drugs, exercise more, eat fast food less if at all, etc.

[YoDoug]

Vegans/vegetarians live 5-10 years longer than meat eaters.

Is that because they eat less meat, or is it because typically, they live healthier life styles in general? Most people I know who live a vegetarian/vegan life style also drink less if at all, don't smoke, are less likely to do drugs, exercise more, eat fast food less if at all, etc.

My reference to age is from large world studies that looked at diet in relation to all cause mortality. In America and western nations vegans/vegetarians tend to be more health conscious and active, but the larger studies looked at eastern countries/places (China, Okinawa, India, etc) and where they eat mostly or all plant based they live longer. Those places don't have gyms and they don't exercise per se. They probably do live a more active lifestyle as they tend to work harder and have less leisure time. However most studies account for that in their calculations.

[HTM01]

can't we argue about better things than Vegans/vegetarians lifestyle
i almost miss oneYank ,  no one wants to punch anyone in the face anymore, hardly no one picks on Smit anymore

[Here's Johnny!]

can't we argue about better things than Vegans/vegetarians lifestyle
i almost miss oneYank ,  no one wants to punch anyone in the face anymore, hardly no one picks on Smit anymore

Did Cryler get banned?

[YoDoug]

can't we argue about better things than Vegans/vegetarians lifestyle
i almost miss oneYank ,  no one wants to punch anyone in the face anymore, hardly no one picks on Smit anymore

I will take full responsibility for steering many conversations towards diet/health/lifestyle. IMO, it is the "elephant in the room" that our society in general doesn't like to talk about. Our poorer health and rising chronic illness, rising healthcare costs, factory food systems, big pharma corruption, environmental issues, etc, are on unsustainable trajectories. We can continue to ignore the elephant, but it will only get worse. Think about how our rising rates of chronic illness have impacted insurance rates over the last 20 years. Anyone in the middle class now should be deathly afraid of this trend. It will eat up your income until you are barely above poverty income if the trend is allowed to continue. This will also affect your retirement savings and lifestyle. I put at least 10% into my 401k, I minimize debt, live well within my means, however I am concerned that this will not be enough.

[HTM01]

can't we argue about better things than Vegans/vegetarians lifestyle
i almost miss oneYank ,  no one wants to punch anyone in the face anymore, hardly no one picks on Smit anymore

I will take full responsibility for steering many conversations towards diet/health/lifestyle. IMO, it is the "elephant in the room" that our society in general doesn't like to talk about. Our poorer health and rising chronic illness, rising healthcare costs, factory food systems, big pharma corruption, environmental issues, etc, are on unsustainable trajectories. We can continue to ignore the elephant, but it will only get worse. Think about how our rising rates of chronic illness have impacted insurance rates over the last 20 years. Anyone in the middle class now should be deathly afraid of this trend. It will eat up your income until you are barely above poverty income if the trend is allowed to continue. This will also affect your retirement savings and lifestyle. I put at least 10% into my 401k, I minimize debt, live well within my means, however I am concerned that this will not be enough.

i gave up cigs and booze , i'll go vegan if i can wrap the veggies in BACON cause i ain't giving that shit up !