Vaccination and work

[Jim at Gentex]

well heres a link to help you keep up :-)

https://lcaction.org/vaccine#cases">https://lcaction.org/vaccine#cases

Thank you.
This was VERY helpful to me.  

[HTM01]

One thing that bothers me when I read through and look in to some of the covid conspiracy theories.  Being half wrong is far more dangerous than being completely wrong.  Especially when you're trying to convince people of what to do with their health. People latch on to one or two facts in a pile of misinformation and then make life/health altering decisions based on that.  

but, but someone on facebook posted the government is just out to control you.

like they don't have some sort of control of every other aspect of your life
license , registration , regulation , laws , rules for every damn thing you do

[YoDoug]

One thing that bothers me when I read through and look in to some of the covid conspiracy theories.  Being half wrong is far more dangerous than being completely wrong.  Especially when you're trying to convince people of what to do with their health. People latch on to one or two facts in a pile of misinformation and then make life/health altering decisions based on that.  

The political left has backtracked and reversed everything they have said at one point or another during this pandemic, for politcal gain. They keep claiming "follow the science" but they have taken scientifically opposed positions depending on optics/political gain/whatever. That is why I don't trust their need to force everyone to be vaccinated. Just remember, the same mRNA vaccines available today are the same vaccines last fall that every Dem loudly professed they wouldn't take and declared that trump was shortcutting the safety process and going to kill everyone. Now that their guy is in office and they are benefitting from all of Big pharma's lobbying dollars, it's the best vaccine ever and everyone should be mandated to take it.

Some of my thoughts about whether or not I should get vaccinated;

1. We have had Covid in my house. Three of five got positive tests, number four probably had it and was probably the first but didn't get tested until after he was no longer sick. Me being number 5, most likely asymptomatic as I rarely ever get sick and have a strong immune system. That being said, the Cleveland Clinic studied 1500 healthcare workers and found that those that previously had Covid had no more antibody response after being immunized than those that didn't get the vaccine. At this point getting the vaccine seems unnecessary.

2. The experts claimed antibodies after having Covid would not last long enough so you still needed to get the vaccines, however they have now changed their tune and say the vaccines may not last long enough and you may need a third booster shot.

3. We were told that asymptomatic carriers can still spread Covid. However, we are also told that the PCR test is only accurate if they jam that stick as far into your nose as they can, wiggle it all over, and count to ten. If it takes that invasive of test to find it, then how are people with no symptoms, IE runny nose, cough, etc., still spewing enough germs to infect other people.

4. The death rate, no comorbidities, etc. all say I have more of a chance of dying from being struck by lightning than Covid.

5. Every normal year, we are told we need to get the flu shot. We are told this because the flu virus mutates and the old vaccine is no longer effective. Why is Covid somehow different? Is this a new, never ending, revenue source for big pharma. The never ending Covid variant vaccines.

6. I personally subscribe to the Thanos theory that there is probably about 50% too many people on earth. Humans, greed, and over consumption are going to make this planet uninhabitable in the future. The natural response is a virus to thin the heard. Modern mobility, factory farming, etc. are going to create and cause something far worse than Covid-19. Nobody wants hear the truth about that, let alone change their lifestyle to prevent it. Everybody wants to go get the latest Chic-fil-a, Popeyes, etc . chicken sandwich that is all the rave, and imagine it came from some free range chicken happily wandering around a field eating grubs and other natural food. The truth is that chicken came from a factory farm with up to a million chickens in a barn. Constantly fed antibiotics to keep them alive. They are fueling antibiotic strains of disease that were once treatable. At the current trajectory, it could be as little as a dozen years until antibiotic resistant diseases start claiming far more lives annually than Covid-19. Anybody that eats foods produced by, and supports big factory farming, has no right to point a finger at me because I choose not to get the Covid-19 vaccine. I will be at more risk of dying in the near future from antibiotic resistant disease than they are now of dying from Covid-19.

[DUM1]

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Just read the FDA approval on the FDA sight again..  I stand corrected , looks like the Jab is now considered a "vaccine" approved by the FDA.
 

[neurosis]

5. Every normal year, we are told we need to get the flu shot. We are told this because the flu virus mutates and the old vaccine is no longer effective. Why is Covid somehow different? Is this a new, never ending, revenue source for big pharma. The never ending Covid variant vaccines.

For the record, I would never try to convince anyone to get vaccinated or not get vaccinated.  It doesn't matter to me one way or the other.  I was talking specifically about people who read information that may only be partially true and are convinced to make judgement calls based on that information.  Kinda like going down to the local feed store and poisoning yourself.

Out of all of the theories I read on the vax, this is probably the most reasonable.  Knowing how corrupt our government is, it's hard not to make a case that these politicians are in the pockets of big pharma. We already know that's true.  

Where I have a hard time connecting the dots, is that we've already devastated our economy over this virus.  We're not the only Country to shut down over this.  They aren't going to blow out our entire economy as a smoke screen just to put money in the pockets of big pharma.  

There are countries still closing down over the virus.  I hope that it doesn't happen again in the US.

[BrianP.]

Over 15,000 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have now tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 130 of them have died, according to state data on breakthrough cases published Tuesday.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/there-have-now-been-over-15000-breakthrough-covid-cases-in-mass-what-to-know/2475683/">https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/th ... w/2475683/">https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/there-have-now-been-over-15000-breakthrough-covid-cases-in-mass-what-to-know/2475683/

[YoDoug]

Over 15,000 fully vaccinated Massachusetts residents have now tested positive for COVID-19 and more than 130 of them have died, according to state data on breakthrough cases published Tuesday.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/there-have-now-been-over-15000-breakthrough-covid-cases-in-mass-what-to-know/2475683/">https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/th ... w/2475683/">https://www.nbcboston.com/news/local/there-have-now-been-over-15000-breakthrough-covid-cases-in-mass-what-to-know/2475683/

You see article like this and the article I posted about Pfizer's profits and increased lobbying in 2020/21, and it makes it believable that the massive push to force vaccinate everyone in a hurry is make as money as possible for Pfizer before they have to admit that the vaccine isn't as effective as they touted.

[JParis]

of those breakthroughs....the number(130) of those who died .008%

4,504,641 MA residents vaccinated
Based on 15000 breakthrough cases that's .0033%

Can we stop already...

[neurosis]

When the first wave of Covid hit last year, I didn't know anyone personally who got the virus.  This wave, I know at least a dozen who have had it and about half were vaccinated.

[HTM01]

of those breakthroughs....the number(130) of those who died .008%

4,504,641 MA residents vaccinated
Based on 15000 breakthrough cases that's .0033%

Can we stop already...

only if you go vegan

[YoDoug]

of those breakthroughs....the number(130) of those who died .008%

4,504,641 MA residents vaccinated
Based on 15000 breakthrough cases that's .0033%

Can we stop already...

only if you go vegan

I'm not sure you are cool enough to be Vegan Club. We don't just let anyone in!

[Jim at Gentex]

When the first wave of Covid hit last year, I didn't know anyone personally who got the virus.  This wave, I know at least a dozen who have had it and about half were vaccinated.

So let's apply a bit of critical thinking here...
From your perspective, and you aren't alone, the vaccine DOESN'T WORK any better than flipping a coin.
Is that an accurate statement?

[neurosis]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=14931 time=1629922703 user_id=83]
So let's apply a bit of critical thinking here...
From your perspective, and you aren't alone, the vaccine DOESN'T WORK any better than flipping a coin.
Is that an accurate statement?
[/quote]

I don't know.  The only people *that I know personally* who ended up in the hospital were not vaccinated.  One has had to be put on an intubator.  Everyone that I know that has been vaccinated had mild flu symptoms.  That doesn't mean shit as you know. This is all just anecdotal bull crap. One of the guys who tested positive was a co-worker.

[YoDoug]

I'm still on the fence about the whole theory that getting the vaccine reduces the Covid severity. We also have a far better understanding of how to treat it now. It could be that doctors are just giving better care to those at risk, regardless if they have been vaccinated or not.

[thad]

of those breakthroughs....the number(130) of those who died .008%

4,504,641 MA residents vaccinated
Based on 15000 breakthrough cases that's .0033%

Can we stop already...

only if you go vegan

I'm not sure you are cool enough to be Vegan Club. We don't just let anyone in!

Yeah, you gotta give an acceptance speech here at the forum and everything!