Vaccination and work

[Jim at Gentex]

Interestingly enough, my work facility HR department notifies everyone by email whenever someone in the facility tests positive.
They have been distinguishing between vaxxed and non-vaxxed, but obviously not using any names.
They only mention which department the person works in, and when was the last time they were in the facility.

Of the last 6 cases reported, 4 were fully vaxxed, and 2 were non-vaxxed.
True, it is a very small sample size, but it seems to align with the data we are hearing from other sources.
I remain highly skeptical...

[CNCAppsJames]

The human immune system is an amazing thing. More often than not it does a FAR superior job than even our best pharmacological solutions.
Pharma has it's place but it is NOT everywhere for everything. That bullshit idea is EXACTLY what got us anti-biotic resistant bacteria... and we know how well THAT is working out for us. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. It's REAL. WE created it. We created it by ignoring common sense. We created it by not taking the doses long enough, or by pharma not suggesting the right dosage duration, or the right dosage, etc.. Bottom line, our dire need to take a pill for whatever ailed us created this nightmare.  

Yet one more reason I am wary of taking this not-a-vaccine. I have already had COVID, there is no logical reason that has been presented to me yet that makes a good case for people that have already had COVID to take the jab. None whatsoever, and contrary to popular belief, I am listening, because at some point I may have to make a very difficult choice if I wish to remain employed/employable. It IS in my best interest to listen, however, when my own personal physician that has been my doctor for nearly 25 years is telling me he's not recommending it for me, I'm listening to that as well. Not because it's what I want to hear, but because being the sole wage earner in my household, I need some longevity.

[YoDoug]

The human immune system is an amazing thing. More often than not it does a FAR superior job than even our best pharmacological solutions.
Pharma has it's place but it is NOT everywhere for everything. That bullshit idea is EXACTLY what got us anti-biotic resistant bacteria... and we know how well THAT is working out for us. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. It's REAL. WE created it. We created it by ignoring common sense. We created it by not taking the doses long enough, or by pharma not suggesting the right dosage duration, or the right dosage, etc.. Bottom line, our dire need to take a pill for whatever ailed us created this nightmare.  

Yet one more reason I am wary of taking this not-a-vaccine. I have already had COVID, there is no logical reason that has been presented to me yet that makes a good case for people that have already had COVID to take the jab. None whatsoever, and contrary to popular belief, I am listening, because at some point I may have to make a very difficult choice if I wish to remain employed/employable. It IS in my best interest to listen, however, when my own personal physician that has been my doctor for nearly 25 years is telling me he's not recommending it for me, I'm listening to that as well. Not because it's what I want to hear, but because being the sole wage earner in my household, I need some longevity.

I fully agree with the concern about antibiotic resistant bacteria. The WHO estimates in 10-20 years, 10 million people will die from infections that are fully treatable today. The largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria is animal agriculture. 80%+ of antibiotics in the US are used in farming, not human consumption. Even if humans extremely minimized antibiotic use, the needed amounts of antibiotics to support the large scale factory farms to support the demand for meat will continue the rise of antibiotic resistant bugs. To change that we need to change the food system. Meat/cheese/dairy would have to become a luxury item because organic means of raising won't support the current world demand.

Also, our gut bacteria make up the majority of our internal immune system. The bacteria that promote the best health thrive on plant fiber. On the other hand meat and animal products promote the growth of bad bacteria in our guts. Additionally, the systemic inflammation caused from consuming animal products put another strain on our immune system that doesn't allow it to fully focus on fighting viruses, etc.  

If you really are interested in this I have some great links to studies to back up this info.

[CNCAppsJames]

When you mess with that stuff like we have, in the long run not much good comes from it, hence my SERIOUS apprehension to taking this whipped up in short order not-a-vax "vaccine".

If poor antibiotic use in the 50's gave us MRSA in the 60's and even more deadly stuff today, who is to say we won't look back in 5 or 10 years and go "Ooops!!! Did I do that?"

Meanwhile people that would most likely have otherwise survived didn't. Those steaming piles of bovine excremnt at the FDA, CDC, J&J, Moderna, etc... won't be having to financially support families because those scum have been absolved of any and all liability courtesy of .gov. How about those piece of rat bastards put some skin in the game? Put a few billion dollars away so WHEN the virus does what viruses do and it all goes sideways at least families won't be homeless after their sole breadwinner dies because they took that jab.

How about do that before peopl question "Why not just take the jab? Do you hate old people or something?". This whole subject just pisses me off more and more every day. There are legitimate questions about the efficacy and long term effects of these jabs that have not been answered. Maybe they have been answered to your own satisfaction. That's great... for you. For me, they have not, and as long I have breath, I decide what medications I will take into my body not some cubicle/lab rat with ZERO skin in the game.

[Zoober]

The human immune system is an amazing thing. More often than not it does a FAR superior job than even our best pharmacological solutions.
Pharma has it's place but it is NOT everywhere for everything. That bullshit idea is EXACTLY what got us anti-biotic resistant bacteria... and we know how well THAT is working out for us. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. It's REAL. WE created it. We created it by ignoring common sense. We created it by not taking the doses long enough, or by pharma not suggesting the right dosage duration, or the right dosage, etc.. Bottom line, our dire need to take a pill for whatever ailed us created this nightmare.  

Yet one more reason I am wary of taking this not-a-vaccine. I have already had COVID, there is no logical reason that has been presented to me yet that makes a good case for people that have already had COVID to take the jab. None whatsoever, and contrary to popular belief, I am listening, because at some point I may have to make a very difficult choice if I wish to remain employed/employable. It IS in my best interest to listen, however, when my own personal physician that has been my doctor for nearly 25 years is telling me he's not recommending it for me, I'm listening to that as well. Not because it's what I want to hear, but because being the sole wage earner in my household, I need some longevity.

I fully agree with the concern about antibiotic resistant bacteria. The WHO estimates in 10-20 years, 10 million people will die from infections that are fully treatable today. The largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria is animal agriculture. 80%+ of antibiotics in the US are used in farming, not human consumption. Even if humans extremely minimized antibiotic use, the needed amounts of antibiotics to support the large scale factory farms to support the demand for meat will continue the rise of antibiotic resistant bugs. To change that we need to change the food system. Meat/cheese/dairy would have to become a luxury item because organic means of raising won't support the current world demand.

Also, our gut bacteria make up the majority of our internal immune system. The bacteria that promote the best health thrive on plant fiber. On the other hand meat and animal products promote the growth of bad bacteria in our guts. Additionally, the systemic inflammation caused from consuming animal products put another strain on our immune system that doesn't allow it to fully focus on fighting viruses, etc.  

If you really are interested in this I have some great links to studies to back up this info.

That's why we buy our beef from this local farmer, and not the grocery store. Just got 360lbs a couple weeks ago.

http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html">http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html

[YoDoug]

The human immune system is an amazing thing. More often than not it does a FAR superior job than even our best pharmacological solutions.
Pharma has it's place but it is NOT everywhere for everything. That bullshit idea is EXACTLY what got us anti-biotic resistant bacteria... and we know how well THAT is working out for us. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. Antibiotic resistant bacteria. It's REAL. WE created it. We created it by ignoring common sense. We created it by not taking the doses long enough, or by pharma not suggesting the right dosage duration, or the right dosage, etc.. Bottom line, our dire need to take a pill for whatever ailed us created this nightmare.  

Yet one more reason I am wary of taking this not-a-vaccine. I have already had COVID, there is no logical reason that has been presented to me yet that makes a good case for people that have already had COVID to take the jab. None whatsoever, and contrary to popular belief, I am listening, because at some point I may have to make a very difficult choice if I wish to remain employed/employable. It IS in my best interest to listen, however, when my own personal physician that has been my doctor for nearly 25 years is telling me he's not recommending it for me, I'm listening to that as well. Not because it's what I want to hear, but because being the sole wage earner in my household, I need some longevity.

I fully agree with the concern about antibiotic resistant bacteria. The WHO estimates in 10-20 years, 10 million people will die from infections that are fully treatable today. The largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria is animal agriculture. 80%+ of antibiotics in the US are used in farming, not human consumption. Even if humans extremely minimized antibiotic use, the needed amounts of antibiotics to support the large scale factory farms to support the demand for meat will continue the rise of antibiotic resistant bugs. To change that we need to change the food system. Meat/cheese/dairy would have to become a luxury item because organic means of raising won't support the current world demand.

Also, our gut bacteria make up the majority of our internal immune system. The bacteria that promote the best health thrive on plant fiber. On the other hand meat and animal products promote the growth of bad bacteria in our guts. Additionally, the systemic inflammation caused from consuming animal products put another strain on our immune system that doesn't allow it to fully focus on fighting viruses, etc.  

If you really are interested in this I have some great links to studies to back up this info.

That's why we buy our beef from this local farmer, and not the grocery store. Just got 360lbs a couple weeks ago.

http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html">http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html

The only problem with that is that it is not scalable to meet the worlds demand for meat. There is not enough land to raise the billions of animals in conditions that would not need the over use of antibiotics to keep them healthy. We would have to seriously reduce consumption and that would make meat an expensive luxury item. The huge mega food corps are not willing to let that happen to their bottom line so they will continue to suppress the truth, lobby, and fund obfuscating studies.

[Zoober]

I fully agree with the concern about antibiotic resistant bacteria. The WHO estimates in 10-20 years, 10 million people will die from infections that are fully treatable today. The largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria is animal agriculture. 80%+ of antibiotics in the US are used in farming, not human consumption. Even if humans extremely minimized antibiotic use, the needed amounts of antibiotics to support the large scale factory farms to support the demand for meat will continue the rise of antibiotic resistant bugs. To change that we need to change the food system. Meat/cheese/dairy would have to become a luxury item because organic means of raising won't support the current world demand.

Also, our gut bacteria make up the majority of our internal immune system. The bacteria that promote the best health thrive on plant fiber. On the other hand meat and animal products promote the growth of bad bacteria in our guts. Additionally, the systemic inflammation caused from consuming animal products put another strain on our immune system that doesn't allow it to fully focus on fighting viruses, etc.  

If you really are interested in this I have some great links to studies to back up this info.

That's why we buy our beef from this local farmer, and not the grocery store. Just got 360lbs a couple weeks ago.

http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html">http://claybrookangus.com/meat.html

The only problem with that is that it is not scalable to meet the worlds demand for meat. There is not enough land to raise the billions of animals in conditions that would not need the over use of antibiotics to keep them healthy. We would have to seriously reduce consumption and that would make meat an expensive luxury item. The huge mega food corps are not willing to let that happen to their bottom line so they will continue to suppress the truth, lobby, and fund obfuscating studies.

I don't necessarily disagree with that on a global scale.
But my responsibility (even if I could affect it) is not global. It is keeping my family fed properly the best I am able. We will continue to support locally grown, organic, chemical free food as long as it is available. Fortunately, we have a lot of it available here.  Including growing our own heritage food ourselves.

[YoDoug]

I don't necessarily disagree with that on a global scale.
But my responsibility (even if I could affect it) is not global. It is keeping my family fed properly the best I am able. We will continue to support locally grown, organic, chemical free food as long as it is available. Fortunately, we have a lot of it available here.  Including growing our own heritage food ourselves.

That is what we do as well. We try to buy as much local and organic as we can find. That is for produce and fruit, we don't buy meat or dairy.

While I am perfectly fine with going vegan, I know the average person doesn't have enough power over food addiction to change. I have little hope that we will avoid the forecasted antibiotic resistant pandemic. By the time it is serious enough to get most people to be willing to change the world's food system, it will be too late to stop it.

[Incogneeto]

Yep!!

Death By Taco.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/california-man-dies-after-competing-in-taco-eating-contest-at-fresno-grizzlies-baseball-game/ar-AAOfZlb">https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-s ... ar-AAOfZlb">https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/california-man-dies-after-competing-in-taco-eating-contest-at-fresno-grizzlies-baseball-game/ar-AAOfZlb

[neurosis]

Death By Taco.

[CNCAppsJames]

While I am perfectly fine with going vegan, I know the average person doesn't have enough power over food addiction to change.

Oh brother... come on. Seriously? Because somebody enjoys eating (insert favorite carnivorous delicacy) they have a food addiction? Whatever you need to tell your delusional self so you can feel superior to the rest of us man.  

#BovineExcrement !!!

[YoDoug]

While I am perfectly fine with going vegan, I know the average person doesn't have enough power over food addiction to change.

Oh brother... come on. Seriously? Because somebody enjoys eating (insert favorite carnivorous delicacy) they have a food addiction? Whatever you need to tell your delusional self so you can feel superior to the rest of us man.  

#BovineExcrement !!!

78% of Americans are considered obese by BMI standards. 35% overweight. 34 million have type 2 diabetes and 88 million have prediabetes. You don't get to those numbers by people casually enjoying a treat. You get to get to those numbers by people not being able to control the urge to eat food that is not good for them. Also, it's not just a meat/fatty foods issue. Sugar plays a huge part. BTW if you lay a graph of sugar, meat, and dairy consumption of the last 50 years  over a graph of diabetes, weight, and other chronic disease they amazingly follow the same curve. Big food corps have teams of scientists that spend millions of dollars figuring out how to make food more addictive. They know the exact amounts of slat/fat/sugar to make you crave it. We outlaw drugs and regulate alcohol because they are addictive. We know that food addiction is almost identical in the brain as drug addiction. The same chemical responses happen in the brain when you eat certain foods as happen when you shoot heroin, just on a smaller scale. However still addictive.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-overcome-food-addiction">https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/ho ... -addiction">https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-overcome-food-addiction

[Zoober]

I don't necessarily disagree with that on a global scale.
But my responsibility (even if I could affect it) is not global. It is keeping my family fed properly the best I am able. We will continue to support locally grown, organic, chemical free food as long as it is available. Fortunately, we have a lot of it available here.  Including growing our own heritage food ourselves.

That is what we do as well. We try to buy as much local and organic as we can find. That is for produce and fruit, we don't buy meat or dairy.

While I am perfectly fine with going vegan, I know the average person doesn't have enough power over food addiction to change. I have little hope that we will avoid the forecasted antibiotic resistant pandemic. By the time it is serious enough to get most people to be willing to change the world's food system, it will be too late to stop it.

Food addiction? Not here. While I do like good food, I wouldn't classify my like as a need. My recent change to Keto for glucose levels (doc recommended low carb -not necessarily keto - due to my thyroid and Indian heritage, not any pre-diabetes levels) has shown me I have complete control over my food intake.
But I've always had food control. 9 years of AAU wrestling was a great food education. While I eat plenty of (good) veggies, a vegan diet isn't on my horizon. There are plenty of vegan dishes that wouldn't drop my glucose levels.
What's good for me isn't necessarily good for others. There are plenty of keto and vegans telling others how they are doing it wrong.
Edit: By the way, my Dr. had no issues with animal proteins. None.

[thad]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Biden's speech last night yet. Companies with 100 or more employees must require their workers to get vaccinated or be tested weekly for covid. There was also some mention about not only .gov workers but .gov contractors requiring the same.

[Jim at Gentex]

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Biden's speech last night yet. Companies with 100 or more employees must require their workers to get vaccinated or be tested weekly for covid. There was also some mention about not only .gov workers but .gov contractors requiring the same.

This will certainly face legal challenges.
Some people can still be exempt for medical and / or religious reasons, which is why employers have to offer testing.
Biden is living in a fantasy world to begin with, so it's no surprise he thinks 100% vaccination compliance is even possible.

WORST.
PRESIDENT.
EVER.