Florida Republicans worried about 2022 as they crafted election law

[neurosis]

Thoughts?  This sounds pretty damning if true.

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/09/20/emails-text-messages-undercut-claim-floridas-election-overhaul-wasnt-political-1391121">https://www.politico.com/states/florida ... al-1391121">https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2021/09/20/emails-text-messages-undercut-claim-floridas-election-overhaul-wasnt-political-1391121

TALLAHASSEE — Florida Republicans this spring insisted a contentious new election law curtailing access to ballot boxes was needed to prevent electoral fraud. It was not, they said, an attempt to gain a partisan advantage.

But a raft of internal emails and text messages obtained by POLITICO show the law was drafted with the help of the Republican Party of Florida's top lawyer — and that a crackdown on mail-in ballot requests was seen as a way for the GOP to erase the edge that Democrats had in mail-in voting during the 2020 election. The messages undercut the consistent argument made by Republicans that the new law was about preventing future electoral fraud.

[CNCAppsJames]

I know for a fact Top Democrat Lawyers craft California's legislation. I abhor the practice no matter who does it.  

I believe mail in ballot requests should be required EVERY election cycle BECAUSE it's hard. Democracy SHOULD take effort. California's Election rolls are notoriously out of date and Democrats have been the benefactors.

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That was a real hack job of an article by politico whose not known for objectivity.



.....still waiting for Democrats to apologize for implementing Jim Crow.

[gcode]

That was a real hack job of an article by politico

that's how Politico rolls  
Dems fear honest elections like vampires fear sunlight.
They will do or say anything to prevent them

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I believe mail in ballots

should only be allowed for medical reasons... or military personnel serving out of state.

[YoDoug]

Anytime I see an article that talks about state level "Republicans" or the "party" I instantly think #neverTrump rinos. Here in MN there is a large portion of the Republican party that still thinks Biden was a better choice than Trump. They would also rather lose to the Dems than lose control of their party to outsiders. This comes into play when they look at district maps. For the MN republican party the party is more important than districts, wins, and definitely more important than the voters concerns.

[neurosis]

For the MN republican party the party is more important than districts, wins, and definitely more important than the voters concerns

I think that encompasses politics in general and both political parties. Everything is a power play and they will do anything necessary to hold on to that power.  

What disturbs me about this article, is that if the information they have it true, Florida State representatives intent is to suppress votes to gain an edge in elections.  I think that intent is important.

[YoDoug]

For the MN republican party the party is more important than districts, wins, and definitely more important than the voters concerns

I think that encompasses politics in general and both political parties. Everything is a power play and they will do anything necessary to hold on to that power.  

What disturbs me about this article, is that if the information they have it true, Florida State representatives intent is to suppress votes to gain an edge in elections.  I think that intent is important.

Define "suppress" votes. Liberal outlets like politico consider verifying the validity of votes as suppression. Simply ensuring that only legal votes are cast and counted is voter suppression according to the dems.

[neurosis]

Define "suppress" votes. Liberal outlets like politico consider verifying the validity of votes as suppression. Simply ensuring that only legal votes are cast and counted is voter suppression according to the dems.

Yes, but that's not what they are talking about in the email and text messages.  They are talking about how by allowing specific types of voting they are giving the Dems the edge in elections so they have to make sure those types of voting aren't allowed. That sounds a lot like intent to suppress votes or make voting more difficult to gain an edge?

Gruters defended a Senate proposal to cancel all existing mail-in ballot requests, saying that it would be "devastating" for Republicans to keep them valid heading into the 2022 election when DeSantis and other state GOP officials are up for reelection. More than 2.18 million Democrats used mail-in ballots compared to 1.5 million Republican voters during the 2020 election where Trump easily won Florida. Part of that was due to the ongoing pandemic, as Democrats strongly encouraged voters to change their habits nationwide.

I understand that a lot of us (the royal us lol. I happen to like mail in voting here in Washington State) don't care for mail in voting and see it as an easy target for voter fraud but that's not what they're saying.  

I'm sure this is a 'I couldn't give less of a crap' article for most Republican voters. As an independent, I find it as interesting and concerning as I do ballot harvesting.

[neurosis]

I'll frame the question this way - If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections, what would your reaction be?

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I'll frame the question this way - If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections, what would your reaction be?

Since that is how California currently is then I say what is the point? almost everyone in the Political arena today is about power and money. It is not about representing the people and what is best for the people. It is all about power and money anymore for all sides of the arena not one side. What is being stated here is pretty much what has happened since I got to this state for the Democrats. Don't think it is a good move and not supporting the move, but anyone who think Biden is helping and making the United States of America with his actions and current polices is high on something.

[mkd]

I'll frame the question this way - If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections, what would your reaction be?

..then it'd be a cold day in hell.


but really, there's nothing new under the Sun. George Washington gave a warning on the inevitability of political parties.

[YoDoug]

I'll frame the question this way - If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections, what would your reaction be?

Meh, the key words are "type of voting". They didn't say type of voter. I take it that the Republicans mean unrestricted mail-in-voting that has been shown to be full of fraud. Unless there is specific texts that specifically call out a demographic or other, it is just more dems playing the race card to stop real voter ID and integrity laws from being passed. Every Voter ID or other measures are proposed the dems get in front of every camera and cry racism, even though when polled the majority of people, including people of color, support voter ID laws.

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If Politico ran a story and had text messages and emails showing Democrats saying that they can't allow a specific type of voting because it gives Republicans the edge in the 2022 elections,

That would never happen.. The media's job is to paint Dem's in a good light and Republican's as hateful
bigots.

[neurosis]

Unless there is specific texts that specifically call out a demographic or other, it is just more dems playing the race card to stop real voter ID and integrity laws from being passed.

They were talking specifically about party.  Not Demographic or race. To elaborate on that a little, while Republicans were crapping on mail in voting and talking about how insecure it was and doing everything they could to convince Republican voters NOT to vote by mail in ballot, the Democrats were encouraging it and embracing it.  The box has been opened and now you'll probably never convince enough Republicans to support it to make it beneficial to Republican politicians.

I won't go in to mail in voting and voter fraud.  I understand why people are skeptical of it, especially when implemented hastily and haphazardly.  I have the same concerns about Ballot harvesting.