Vax mandate published today

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So there is still flu?
Interesting..

[YoDoug]

I'd be curious to know how the odds of having a deadly reaction to the vaccine compare to the odds of being involved in a fatal car crash.

I'd be curious to know how the odds of having a deadly reaction to the Covid virus compare to the odds of being involved in a fatal car crash too.

It would seem they are directly related when those stats are used to calculate risk.

In MN each year about 300-400 people die in car accidents. So far just under 10,000 people have died from Covid. However, the factors that apply to being at high risk for Covid death don't apply to driving. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The two major factors that make a difference in death from an auto accident are seat belts and the cars crash ratings. Whereas Covid comorbidities are well known, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

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[quote="Thee Byte™" post_id=18953 time=1638270714 user_id=50]

3 out today due to illness at my place.
Don't  know for certain if any are covid because of privacy regs
One is a 73 year old machinist. He's tough as old boot leather and routinely
works men one third his age into the ground.
I sure hope he's OK

Hopefully he is okay, the survivability in that age group seems good, but the side effects seem so severe.
Hopefully it's just a cold!
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The youngest of the 3 ( mid 30's) has been in bed a week
He took a covid test yesterday and reports positive results
I don't know about the other 2

[YoDoug]

For the record, I'm not anti-vax. I'm anti-vax that isn't need or doesn't work. The Covid vax's have a lot of concerning side effects. They have failing performance after 6 months. Also, based on the numbers in MN, all of the measures taken in this pandemic so far have not shown do do any bit of help. We had lockdowns, masks, etc. Then when all of those restriction were lifted the infection rate curve stayed the same for each subsequent spike. The same goes for the vaccine. We are now seeing anywhere from 30%-50% of new cases in fully vaxxed people and still the same rate of infection curves.

The bottom line is this, Covid is here to stay. Just like the flu, it will continue to mutate and keep going. The current establishment scientists are fully invested in the current vax technology, that is failing, so unless they change course and develop a vax that actually works, it won't change. I do feel for people that are at risk. I respect peoples choice to get vaxxed and wear a mask if they want to. I even make sure to give them space and minimize risk. Truly this should be a wakeup call to get healthy. However, it is not. Our healthcare system and policy making is bought and sold by big food corps and big pharma. What is needed to really overcome Covid is a healthy population that eats whole foods and doesn't need multiple pills everyday to stay alive. If we were that population it would drastically cut the profits of those big corps and the billions they spend lobbying and influencing public policy.

Then there is also the massive globalist, socialist power grab going on. There is a group in power that attempting to use this to change the world to their benefit. They are pushing their vaccine on the world and will not discuss any of the side effects or failing effectiveness. They are using the pandemic as reasoning for emergency actions outside of normal legislative processes. They ignore or even deny treatments that are showing to be effective in order to keep pushing their vax. IMO, this is the biggest reason why I won't be taking the vax. If Fauci/CDC/etc were honest and acknowledged the risks of side effects being real and the failing effectiveness and concerns over long term immunities issues in fully vaxxed people, I would probably consider taking it. But they are not honest. They use old numbers from the clinical trials to describe the vax' effectiveness. They won't discuss the side effects happening at all. Now I'm not some crazy conspiracy guy that thinks they are injecting graphene in the vax for mind control activated by 5g. But, their hard fast push on the vaccines along with their refusal to be honest about what is really happening sure does seem nefarious.

[gcode]

One is a 73 year old machinist. He's tough as old boot leather and routinely
works men one third his age into the ground.
I sure hope he's OK

just found out he's in the hospital with Covid.
He's not diabetic or obese and is in better shape than most men half his age
I sure hope he pulls through

[neurosis]

The Covid vax's have a lot of concerning side effects.

Out of curiosity, are there any statistics on the chances of having these side affects?

[YoDoug]

The Covid vax's have a lot of concerning side effects.

Out of curiosity, are there any statistics on the chances of having these side affects?

It's hard to find any good statistics. If you look at this site for the us, https://openvaers.com/covid-data">https://openvaers.com/covid-data , there is about 650,000 reports of adverse effects from the vaccines. Not all are serious, but tens of thousands are. Put that against 100 million Americans getting vaccinated and the risk of adverse effects is about .6%. In my age group, risk of severe Covid or Covid death is about .2%

What is scary is the sharp increase in reporting. If you look on that site at the annual graph for deaths reported after getting vaccinated, in the last year it has spiked dramatically. That is scary.

[neurosis]

What is scary is the sharp increase in reporting. If you look on that site at the annual graph for deaths reported after getting vaccinated, in the last year it has spiked dramatically. That is scary.

Knowing that vaers doesn't report on whether the vaccination caused the death, and knowing that the more people get vaccinated, the more reports of deaths they are going to get even though they may not be related to the vaccination at all; I don't know whether to be scared or if people are reading too much in to it without thinking about the data that is being reported?  

I'd have to look more in to it to be convinced that the vaccinations are what is causing the deaths?

[Jim at Gentex]

...the risk of adverse effects is about .6%. In my age group, risk of severe Covid or Covid death is about .2%

Yet you will be accused of 'not following the science' when it is an indisputable mathematical certainty that 0.6% > 0.2%  

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[quote="Thee Byte™" post_id=18953 time=1638270714 user_id=50]

3 out today due to illness at my place.
Don't  know for certain if any are covid because of privacy regs
One is a 73 year old machinist. He's tough as old boot leather and routinely
works men one third his age into the ground.
I sure hope he's OK

Hopefully he is okay, the survivability in that age group seems good, but the side effects seem so severe.
Hopefully it's just a cold!

The youngest of the 3 ( mid 30's) has been in bed a week
He took a covid test yesterday and reports positive results
I don't know about the other 2
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Able to tel which variant g?

[YoDoug]

What is scary is the sharp increase in reporting. If you look on that site at the annual graph for deaths reported after getting vaccinated, in the last year it has spiked dramatically. That is scary.

Knowing that vaers doesn't report on whether the vaccination caused the death, and knowing that the more people get vaccinated, the more reports of deaths they are going to get even though they may not be related to the vaccination at all; I don't know whether to be scared or if people are reading too much in to it without thinking about the data that is being reported?  

I'd have to look more in to it to be convinced that the vaccinations are what is causing the deaths?

I acknowledge that the VAERS reporting is very anecdotal. They are not doing autopsies to every death and studies looking into other reports so it will never be confirmed. However I question your comment about more people getting vaccinated. 2019-2020 flu season set a record for the number of flu vaccines. Something like 58% of people including children. That is more people than have gotten the Covid vax so far and the reports to the VAERS system were miniscule then compared to this year and the Covid vax. Every year for the last decade or so 100 million plus people have gotten the flu shot and we have not seen the reports to the vaers system like we are since the Covid vax.

[YoDoug]

The VAERS system was created as a tool for science to track possible issues with vaccines. The VAERS system does not prove causation, but for a couple decades it has been the method of tracking correlation in adverse effects from vaccines. For the last couple decades it has been the justification use for vaccine safety. The establishment has told old-school anti-vaxxers that they were wrong because the VAERS system would show issues. Jump to this year, when the VAERS reports have skyrocketed compared to any other year/vaccines, and the establishment now claims that the VAERS data is not accurate enough to make that judgement. The hypocrisy of the establishment is blaring and overwhelming if you are willing to look at it objectively.

[Del.]

For gawds sake man, eat a cheeseburger.

[Leehound]

For gawds sake man, eat a cheeseburger.

I love cheeseburgers. Does that mean I am vegan now?

[pmartin]

For gawds sake man, eat a cheeseburger.

I love cheeseburgers. Does that mean I am vegan now?

Maybe a cheese head.