Vax mandate published today

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=19093 time=1638453857 user_id=83]
1223 deaths out of a 42,086 sample size?
Around 0.03% by my calculation.
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That would be 3% (0.03 decimal)

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=19093 time=1638453857 user_id=83]
So if the death rate is 0.02% without the vaccine,
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So, do we completely disregard the data we're getting? (not arguing either way, btw, nor criticizing your opinion)

There's a reported covid related death toll in the U.S. of 805,000 as of now. 49.5 million confirmed cases. That calculates at appr. 1.6%, a figure much higher than what you gave. Now, lets say there are actually double the cases (milder symptoms for many so they didn't get tested). That would then be 0.8%. Or say quadruple the cases than officially cataloged. Then that would be 0.4%. All those calculations are still WAY higher than 0.02%.

What am I missing here??

[Del.]

I'm impressed that the AHA can do a 8 year study on a vaccine that's been out a year.

[YoDoug]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=19093 time=1638453857 user_id=83]
So if the death rate is 0.02% without the vaccine,

So, do we completely disregard the data we're getting? (not arguing either way, btw, nor criticizing your opinion)

There's a reported covid related death toll in the U.S. of 805,000 as of now. 49.5 million confirmed cases. That calculates at appr. 1.6%, a figure much higher than what you gave. Now, lets say there are actually double the cases (milder symptoms for many so they didn't get tested). That would then be 0.8%. Or say quadruple the cases than officially cataloged. Then that would be 0.4%. All those calculations are still WAY higher than 0.02%.

What am I missing here??
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IMO the issue is the one-size-fits-all policy towards vaccinations. For certain age/health groups the risk of issue from the vaccines are higher than risk of severe Covid. In other groups the risk of severe Covid far outweighs the risks of vaccine complications. Additionally we now know that the vaccines do not have a high enough efficacy to stop the spread. We should leave this decision between a doctor and patient. If you are worried about Covid and fall into a higher risk group, by all means get the vax. If you don't want to, then don't. The fact that the FDA/Big Pharma petitioned the court to suppress the release of the trial info for 50 years should tell you everything you need to know. If their almighty vax is so great, why hide trial data for 50 years?

[YoDoug]

I'm impressed that the AHA can do a 8 year study on a vaccine that's been out a year.

The study was not about the vaccine, it was a study to improve heart related issue predictions based on inflammatory endothelial markers. They were tracking a group of people for 8 years, testing them every 3-6 months. The people in the group that got the mRNA vax went from an average 1:10 prediction of 5 yr likely incident to 1:4. People that were tested from a few weeks to a couple months after getting the vax saw a large increase in those inflammatory markers compared to their previous test over the 8 year study. The test wasn't designed to study the vax, but when the vax was introduced to the test group in greatly effected the outcome.

[YoDoug]

Doug - that' link is now dead - Suspended account.
Can't have any negatories that don't fit the agenda coming out....

Just another reason why we should be trusting Fauci/Big pharma/Media. When you have to suppress info from your own trials, you are intentionally hiding. This is why they got all tricky like with the two different versions/names of the vax and the FDA approval being for the vax not sold in the US, to keep the US vax as emergency authorized so there is no liability.

Link to report

https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf">https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/20 ... rience.pdf">https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid">https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles ... amid-covid">https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid

Fake news? 2020 was the highest yet for heart related and diabetes related deaths. A significant climb from 2019.

(MRNA vaccines weren't being administered until DEC of 2020 and to only a small, select group... the elderly and immune compromised)

So, the increased deaths in 2020 could not have resulted in the covid-19 vaccines which didn't come out for the general population until early 2021. Which then begs for an explanation. Why?

I've mentioned a few times on this forum. Not rocket science. No crystal ball here. Preventative care! Preventative care saves countless lives. A patient complains of chest pain, for example, so gets checked out...doctors discovered a heart condition (perhaps blocked arteries) after tests are run...and take the appropriate response (medication and in other cases surgery also).

^^^ People with symptoms were not having preventative care done in 2020 (a much smaller percentage). They were afraid of covid in hospitals / doctor's offices.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

[quote="Jim at Gentex" post_id=19093 time=1638453857 user_id=83]
So if the death rate is 0.02% without the vaccine,

So, do we completely disregard the data we're getting? (not arguing either way, btw, nor criticizing your opinion)

There's a reported covid related death toll in the U.S. of 805,000 as of now. 49.5 million confirmed cases. That calculates at appr. 1.6%, a figure much higher than what you gave. Now, lets say there are actually double the cases (milder symptoms for many so they didn't get tested). That would then be 0.8%. Or say quadruple the cases than officially cataloged. Then that would be 0.4%. All those calculations are still WAY higher than 0.02%.

What am I missing here??

IMO the issue is the one-size-fits-all policy towards vaccinations. For certain age/health groups the risk of issue from the vaccines are higher than risk of severe Covid. In other groups the risk of severe Covid far outweighs the risks of vaccine complications. Additionally we now know that the vaccines do not have a high enough efficacy to stop the spread. We should leave this decision between a doctor and patient. If you are worried about Covid and fall into a higher risk group, by all means get the vax. If you don't want to, then don't. The fact that the FDA/Big Pharma petitioned the court to suppress the release of the trial info for 50 years should tell you everything you need to know. If their almighty vax is so great, why hide trial data for 50 years?
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COVID mutations are much more active in countries with low vaccination rates. Mutations are closely tracked and studied. Same goes for other viruses. We've long known mutation rates slow down in populations with higher vaccination rates.

[gcode]

one more of my 'grammers called in sick this morning
headache, sore throat fever .. he's going for a covid test later today

[mayday]

one more of my 'grammers called in sick this morning
headache, sore throat fever .. he's going for a covid test later today

why Tom?
to help run up the numbers?  
who hasn't woke up feeling like shit  

[YoDoug]

So, do we completely disregard the data we're getting? (not arguing either way, btw, nor criticizing your opinion)

There's a reported covid related death toll in the U.S. of 805,000 as of now. 49.5 million confirmed cases. That calculates at appr. 1.6%, a figure much higher than what you gave. Now, lets say there are actually double the cases (milder symptoms for many so they didn't get tested). That would then be 0.8%. Or say quadruple the cases than officially cataloged. Then that would be 0.4%. All those calculations are still WAY higher than 0.02%.

What am I missing here??

IMO the issue is the one-size-fits-all policy towards vaccinations. For certain age/health groups the risk of issue from the vaccines are higher than risk of severe Covid. In other groups the risk of severe Covid far outweighs the risks of vaccine complications. Additionally we now know that the vaccines do not have a high enough efficacy to stop the spread. We should leave this decision between a doctor and patient. If you are worried about Covid and fall into a higher risk group, by all means get the vax. If you don't want to, then don't. The fact that the FDA/Big Pharma petitioned the court to suppress the release of the trial info for 50 years should tell you everything you need to know. If their almighty vax is so great, why hide trial data for 50 years?

COVID mutations are much more active in countries with low vaccination rates. Mutations are closely tracked and studied. Same goes for other viruses. We've long known mutation rates slow down in populations with higher vaccination rates.

There are also valid theories and data that suggest when a vaccine is only moderately effective, like the current ones, they increase mutations. There are some very prominent researchers out there that say the very specific targeted nature of these vaccines will just cause the virus to mutate a way around the vaccines defense trajectory.

[thad]

There's a reported covid related death toll in the U.S. of 805,000
 ...

What am I missing here??

805,000 who died with covid, not from covid.

[byte]

one more of my 'grammers called in sick this morning
headache, sore throat fever .. he's going for a covid test later today

grammers? That would the guys who weigh out the pot right?😂 Bunch of Cali Stonerss!  

[YoDoug]

In MN we have had just over 900,000 positive Covid cases.  About 450,000 of those were before 2021. The vaccines became available in early 2021. So far we have had 95,000 breakthrough cases in fully vaxxed people. That's about 20% of cases this year being in fully vaxxed people. If you look at it on a week by week basis, there are some weeks that are over 50% of new cases being fully vaxxed people. Even if everyone goes out and gets vaxxed, the varied timing of receiving the vax and the diminishing efficacy over time means Covid does not go away. It is here to stay. IMO, the focus needs to be on therapeutics development. There are diseases/viruses/bacteria that were once death sentences that can now be easily treated.

[YoDoug]

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid">https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles ... amid-covid">https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2021-06-09/us-deaths-from-heart-disease-and-diabetes-climbed-amid-covid

Fake news? 2020 was the highest yet for heart related and diabetes related deaths. A significant climb from 2019.

(MRNA vaccines weren't being administered until DEC of 2020 and to only a small, select group... the elderly and immune compromised)

So, the increased deaths in 2020 could not have resulted in the covid-19 vaccines which didn't come out for the general population until early 2021. Which then begs for an explanation. Why?

I've mentioned a few times on this forum. Not rocket science. No crystal ball here. Preventative care! Preventative care saves countless lives. A patient complains of chest pain, for example, so gets checked out...doctors discovered a heart condition (perhaps blocked arteries) after tests are run...and take the appropriate response (medication and in other cases surgery also).

^^^ People with symptoms were not having preventative care done in 2020 (a much smaller percentage). They were afraid of covid in hospitals / doctor's offices.

This is because we shut down regular doctors visits and procedures in hospitals. A large portion of those heart and diabetic deaths would have been caught if people were allowed to go to the doctor or hospital. Instead they stayed home until it was too late. Like you said, preventative care catches issues before it's too late. Unfortunately Dem governors went all in on lockdowns and shutdown many peoples chance at getting that preventative diagnosis that would have saved their life.