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[Tim Johnson]

I certainly don't feel sorry for Liz Cheney. She had to know what she was getting herself in to when she decided to stand up against Trump. I've heard a few independent reporters recently say that there are far more Republican politicians that can't stand Trump than are willing to admit it publicly. They'll talk shit about him behind closed doors and then kiss his ass in front of a camera but would love to see him axed from politics.    Must be a hell of a way to live tossing your principals out the window out of fear for someone like Trump. At least Liz had to balls to say it out loud. 

Trump is an equal opportunity reduce kickbacks from the representatives / Senate's pockets kind of guy. He doesn't take money and thinks they shouldn't either so it's easy to understand that most of both party members would like him gone.
It's also easy to understand why the people would like most of Congress replaced. Most of both party members are in it for themselves. That's the reason why I haven't voted for Representative Fred Upton since 2006.

[neurosis]

Trump is an equal opportunity reduce kickbacks from the representatives / Senate's pockets kind of guy.

I have to ask.. are you sure?  I haven't see any evidence of this. It is possible that I missed it.

He doesn't take money

I think it's great that he donated his salary, but how many conflicts of interest were reported during his presidency? I'm inclined to believe that he thought he would benefit more in other ways from his time as president than the presidential salary. 

[Tim Johnson]

I have to ask.. are you sure?  I haven't see any evidence of this. It is possible that I missed it.

I think it's great that he donated his salary, but how many conflicts of interest were reported during his presidency? I'm inclined to believe that he thought he would benefit more in other ways from his time as president than the presidential salary. 

Who was doing the reporting? Let's face it, Washington DC as a whole hated him because he wasn't one of them. If the House/Senate votes were anonymous the votes for whatever Trump wanted would be 500 to 35 against.

[neurosis]

Who was doing the reporting?

That would by my question to you.  I don't mean that sarcastically, but regarding the handouts, I've never heard that about Trump from anyone anywhere.

In regards to what Trump wants - When it comes to government policy I honestly don't think he gives a shit.  If his base said to change the color blue to red, he'd campaign on it. I don't think that he's competent enough to think past who say's they like him and who doesn't.  Never forget, he supported universal healthcare, donated to the clintons, blah blah blah.  He's not a conservative. 

[Jeff]

Never forget, he supported universal healthcare, donated to the clintons, blah blah blah. 

Yes, and if you recall he said he used to be a Democrat, until he saw the country going to shit with their policies and switched to Republican.

[CNCAppsJames]

I think it's great that he donated his salary, but how many conflicts of interest were reported during his presidency? I'm inclined to believe that he thought he would benefit more in other ways from his time as president than the presidential salary. 

The left's screeching harpys from moments after Trump's Inauguration, were making claims of him violating the Emoluments Clause.

I took the accusations seriously until I got my mind wrapped around the vastness of Trump's Business Empire. It would be impossible for him to completely divest himself of all of his business interests in any sort of meaningful timeframe. The conflicts were trumped up bullshit. I think he did the best he could do in the time he had. I believe he left office poorer than when he entered. A STARK contrast from the other POTUS's in the last 20+ years or so. The Clintons being the most egregious of them all.

JM2CFWIW

[CNCAppsJames]

...I don't think that he's competent enough to think past who say's they like him and who doesn't.

Incompetent people don't turn $25,000,000 into BILLIONS. Incompetent people turn $25,000,000 into bankruptcy and homelessness like the vast majority of lottery winners and professional athletes.

Trump is clearly a competent businessman. Has he had failures? Show me on that hasn't ever. Even Steve Jobs failed. Apple was nearly dead. Somehow he got it turned around.

[neurosis]

Trump is clearly a competent businessman.

I'm sure that he has good connections and enough people around him to 'assist' him in his business dealings. I'd have to give him credit for not squandering some of the opportunities handed to him so I can't disagree with that. 

It would be a tough sell convincing me that someone who asks if we can shoot missiles in to Mexico, weaken a hurricane with a nuclear weapon, etc.  There are too many examples of those types of things that lead me to believe that he doesn't have all of his faculties.     But hey, I don't know him personally so my opinion comes from reporters, some who are unknown independent journalists, who think he's a total moron. Maybe they're just jealous?   

[Jeff]

Even Steve Jobs failed. Apple was nearly dead. Somehow he got it turned around.

He was a marketing genius. Even though I have not and will not ever buy an Apple product, he marketed the hell out of his stuff.

[Del.]

One thing about Trump is that he has improved pretty much all he has acquired.

[Jon@NOWHERE]

I'm sure that he has good connections and enough people around him to 'assist' him in his business dealings. I'd have to give him credit for not squandering some of the opportunities handed to him so I can't disagree with that. 

It would be a tough sell convincing me that someone who asks if we can shoot missiles in to Mexico, weaken a hurricane with a nuclear weapon, etc.  There are too many examples of those types of things that lead me to believe that he doesn't have all of his faculties.     But hey, I don't know him personally so my opinion comes from reporters, some who are unknown independent journalists, who think he's a total moron. Maybe they're just jealous?   

Ever think that maybe those "stupid" questions are just a way to get those around you to think more out of the box?  I mean take the weaken a hurricane with a nuclear weapon, if there was a way to disturb the atmospheric conditions that are driving the hurricane is it a possibility that doing so could weaken it?  Seems possible, of course a nuclear weapon would do more harm than good but what about a more conventional bomb, or just asking the question could lead an expert to 1)ponder if disturbing the atmospheric condition would achieve anything and 2)try and come up with ways to achieve such disturbance. 

[CNCAppsJames]

Regarding "thinking outside the box"... I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us in here have made more than a reasonable living doing such things. I know I have. I mean there's quite a few of you guys here that I would consider to be THE upper echelon of manufacturing professionals world wide.

The BEST business people don't know everything, they typical pool together the right talented professionals for them and their situation and get things going.

[Incogneeto]

One thing about Trump is that he has improved pretty much all he has acquired.

The only way he could improve Melania is to put her in My Bedroom.    

[beej]

Regarding "thinking outside the box"... I'm pretty sure the vast majority of us in here have made more than a reasonable living doing such things. I know I have. I mean there's quite a few of you guys here that I would consider to be THE upper echelon of manufacturing professionals world wide.

The BEST business people don't know everything, they typical pool together the right talented professionals for them and their situation and get things going.

The biggest thing, that I see out of these kinds of things, that says way more about Trump than some statement that sounds ridiculous, is the fact that when people served under Bush or Obama or who ever. They remained tight lipped about the inner workings of the White House or conversations they had with the president. But people who served under Trump, show no such respect.  That says something about Trump. I'm still trying to understand exactly what it says about him, I just know that something is different.

The people that worked for Reagan, Bush and Obama, held them in high regard. The people who worked for Trump write books that make him look bad, whether any of what they write is true or not is up for debate but it does say something about him, that so many former employees of his, do that.

[gcode]

The people that worked for Reagan, Bush and Obama, held them in high regard. The people who worked for Trump write books that make him look bad,

Self serving fucktards 

One of my wife's business acquaintances has a son who is a career Air Force officer.
He spent 2 years carrying "the football" for Trump  ( the brief case holding the nation's nuclear launch codes)
That put him in close personal contact with Trump and family on a daily basis.
He says the public Trump is a complete facade.
The family Trump is a completely different character, a kind and loving family man.