What does American isolationism look like?

[neurosis]

I could go on.

please do.

How many jobs will be available that pay as much as yours? Will there be enough to bring everyone out of poverty? 

I know that sounds sarcastic, but if we're thinking about this logically, there are a limited number of skilled jobs out there. Most of the blue collar manufacturing jobs don't really pay that well. There is a reaons that Boeing started moving production to South Carolina.

[beej]

That's another side of the conversation. Right now, I'm just talking about what it's going to mean for us to have to purchase everything "made in america" if we want to avoid paying tariffs.  Are we really going to pay less for "made in america".  Will there be enough jobs created to offset the costs? Will anyone be able to afford "made in America"?  Is anyting being done to raise wages to offset the cost difference?

a 10% tariff on a $1000 phone will still be considerably cheaper than a $3000 american phone, if you're numbers are to be believed. which means that the phones will still get made there. I don't think that the sky is falling.

[CNCAppsJames]

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I'm sure that everyone has seen the studies that show if we were to manufacture and assemble an i-phone in the US, that $1000 phone would cost around $3000.
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The most troubling aspect to that sentence is that people will refuse to acknowledge that "why". Is labor more expensive here? Yes. No question. But the REAL reason we cannot effectively manufacture iPhones here (even to just satisfy domestic consumption) isn't because of labor it's all the regulations, and I'm not even talking labor regulations.

Just to get a factory of that size up and producing it's first part is probably 5 years minimum and that's if the plan is uncontested by the "flower loving fruit fly" is a protected species crowd. Yes that is a real critter. Yes that stopped construction and expansion of a measly Community Park. New large scale Power Generation facilities will need to be built. Those run ~10 years from idea to generation of it's 1st watt... if we're lucky.

So until voters are willing to do what's necessary on the regulatory front it is 100% a moot point and they are right, in saying it cannot be done. It cannot be done because we are unwilling to do the hard things.

#ChangeMyMind

[neurosis]

But the REAL reason we cannot effectively manufacture iPhones here (even to just satisfy domestic consumption) isn't because of labor it's all the regulations, and I'm not even talking labor regulations.

Can you show some numbers on that?  I'd be curious to see how much of that is regulation and now much is labor costs? We already know that the labor costs are WAY higher than they are in some other countries.

Even if it is regulation, can that be curbed enough to make "made in america" affordable?

[neurosis]

Remove child labor laws? 

Those deregulated cities that are all of the suddon starting to make sense where that idea came from? 

[neurosis]

a 10% tariff on a $1000 phone will still be considerably cheaper than a $3000 american phone, if you're numbers are to be believed. which means that the phones will still get made there. I don't think that the sky is falling.

That's the point. Tariffs will be cheaper than "made in america" so what is the point of this?

[CNCAppsJames]

please do.

How many jobs will be available that pay as much as yours? Will there be enough to bring everyone out of poverty? 

I know that sounds sarcastic, but if we're thinking about this logically, there are a limited number of skilled jobs out there. Most of the blue collar manufacturing jobs don't really pay that well. There is a reaons that Boeing started moving production to South Carolina.

I wasn't born doing this job... I WORKED my way into it. It took me ~10 years and probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 35,000 hours to work my way into my 1st $100k W2. When you've got a wife and 4 mouths to feed at home you do what it takes to get where you need to. At least that is how I see it.

There have been "poor people" since the dawn of man. There will continue to be "poor people" until the human race ceases to exist. Why do we spend untold trillions of dollars in order to continue to attempt to solve an unsolvable problem? Nobody asks that question. I'm not saying we throw people out either. We should care about our fellow man, how ever we should not reward him for his folly and lack of work ethic. Want to eat? Work for it. If you ware truly unable to work that's one thing, but that is not the condition of the majority. 

Currently, there are more skilled positions open than people to fill them. Welders, electricians, plumbers, machinists, etc... Last time I looked there were ~2,000,000 open skilled positions in the US. People are unwilling to do what it takes to get/do  these jobs.

When I've posted jobs for AE's (not just within my organization either), they largely go unanswered. People are unwilling to do the job. It's not an easy job, perhaps that's why it pays what it does.

[Newbeeee™]

https://instapundit.com/712475/

Europe has been getting a free ride from the US taxpayers for years
Trump is working to change that

In England, i bought Maritool holders and looked to import some motorbikes (friends did/do). It was cost effective.
Living in the eeee ewwww, not as long as I have a hole in my butt. Toooo 'spensive.

[CNCAppsJames]

That's the point. Tariffs will be cheaper than "made in america" so what is the point of this?

In my mind, the point is, we cannot allow foreign adversary to sell us technology they manufactured. Many "mission critical" things are manufactured by people that are hostile to our way of life. We should not allow that. We should not have allowed all that Semi- Conductor manufacturing to leave our shores.

Am I alone in that thought?

[neurosis]

When I've posted jobs for AE's (not just within my organization either), they largely go unanswered. People are unwilling to do the job. It's not an easy job, perhaps that's why it pays what it does.

We get the same thing here. That's the other part of the question. How do you convince people to do these jobs. We can't fill positions either. When we do, the kids are rarely smart enough to figure out how to get their face out of their phone.

What the yearly salary for those 2,000,000 open skilled positions? How many people are there working two jobs that are working below the poverty line? Are they smart enough to fill those positions? Not to call people dumb, but not by ambition, but capability? Are there enough of those positions to bring everyone above the poverty line?  Is everyone just lazy?

[CNCAppsJames]

Remove child labor laws? 

Why the fuck does everyone ALWAYS go there?

It's the manufacturing equivalent to "Hitler" and "racist".

I SPECIFICALLY set aside (as in leave it alone) "labor".

[neurosis]

Why the fuck does everyone ALWAYS go there?

It's the manufacturing equivalent to "Hitler" and "racist".

I SPECIFICALLY set aside (as in leave it alone) "labor".

This is actually happening. 

"In recent years, there has been a trend of reducing child labor laws in the United States, particularly in certain states. This trend is driven by a combination of factors, including workforce shortages and economic pressures. For instance, Florida lawmakers are considering a bill that would allow children as young as 14 to work overnight shifts, even on school nights."

[CNCAppsJames]

Can you show some numbers on that?  I'd be curious to see how much of that is regulation and now much is labor costs? We already know that the labor costs are WAY higher than they are in some other countries.

Even if it is regulation, can that be curbed enough to make "made in america" affordable?

Those numbers are buried deep and I'm not about to fish them out with a FOIA request. People blame "labor" costs for everything... because it's easy.

Here's some easy numbers to dig up though; gasoline in Utah vs. gasoline in California and I'm not even talking about the kommies "special blend" either. Straight up 92 octane nothing fancy. The difference is ~$1/gal. sometimes it's $0.80 sometimes it's $1.10. I know this personally because I travel between the two states often. Taxation is regulation. EIR reports are "regulation".

"Affordable". That's about as useful a defintion as "rich", or "fair share".

[mkd]

We already know that Trumps main advisors are isolationists.

Prove it

[neurosis]

"Affordable". That's about as useful a defintion as "rich", or "fair share".

Sure, if you can afford it.