Set Up Sheets

[neurosis]

yup
I've got a Cause and Corrective Action report I need to do

It was a proven program that has made good parts for 5 years
One tool is a wheel cutter, cutting a tight tolerance ceiling on the spindle side of the wheel cutter
It is programmed off the top face of the wheel cutter
The tool list says this
The tool sketch shows it
The man readable code in the file says this
The operator missed it, and set the offset off the bottom of the wheel cutter

Cause of the defect .... programming error!!!!!    
Corrective action ....     slap the guy silly ?    

   We have a kid here who can't seem to wrap his head around fixture offset directions.

We have a part that is a little finicky - it has to be run on side 1, then flipped and run on side 2 with a separate fixture offset.  

He's run the job twice and both times, screwed up his fixture offset adjustment.  

He made a tag for the part that say's "Needs a better program" rather than writing what actually happened, which was him moving the fixture offset the wrong direction AGAIN. I tore in to his ass and asked for an explanation behind the note on the tag. He said that  the program is too confusing.  

[neurosis]

yup
I've got a Cause and Corrective Action report I need to do

It was a proven program that has made good parts for 5 years
One tool is a wheel cutter, cutting a tight tolerance ceiling on the spindle side of the wheel cutter
It is programmed off the top face of the wheel cutter
The tool list says this
The tool sketch shows it
The man readable code in the file says this
The operator missed it, and set the offset off the bottom of the wheel cutter

Cause of the defect .... programming error!!!!!    
Corrective action ....     slap the guy silly ?    

   We have a kid here who can't seem to wrap his head around fixture offset directions.

We have a part that is a little finicky - it has to be run on side 1, then flipped and run on side 2 with a separate fixture offset.  

He's run the job twice and both times, screwed up his fixture offset adjustment.  

He made a tag for the part that say's "Needs a better program" rather than writing what actually happened, which was him moving the fixture offset the wrong direction AGAIN. I tore in to his ass and asked for an explanation behind the note on the tag. He said that  the program is too confusing.  

[Jeff]

I've been using X+ for years now.
Simple and lean. You can add pretty much whatever info you want.

https://www.gmccs.de/downloads_x+.php">https://www.gmccs.de/downloads_x+.php

[Hardmill]

   We have a kid here who can't seem to wrap his head around fixture offset directions.

We have a part that is a little finicky - it has to be run on side 1, then flipped and run on side 2 with a separate fixture offset.  

He's run the job twice and both times, screwed up his fixture offset adjustment.  

He made a tag for the part that say's "Needs a better program" rather than writing what actually happened, which was him moving the fixture offset the wrong direction AGAIN. I tore in to his ass and asked for an explanation behind the note on the tag. He said that  the program is too confusing.  

Sounds like we have the same moron you do.

Don't feed em after midnight 🤪
















PEACE

[Matthew Hajicek]

Can't fix stupid.

[neurosis]

[quote="Matthew Hajicek" post_id=5622 time=1612379125 user_id=57]
Can't fix stupid.
[/quote]

This kid is actually fairly bright.  He really has a hard time admitting when he's made a mistake.

He's only been on a machine for a year and learns pretty fast.  His problem, is that he thinks he is so smart that he doesn't listen when you try to help and that makes him difficult to train.

[byte]

Now if I could only get the guys to actually READ the darned things.

yup
I've got a Cause and Corrective Action report I need to do

It was a proven program that has made good parts for 5 years
One tool is a wheel cutter, cutting a tight tolerance ceiling on the spindle side of the wheel cutter
It is programmed off the top face of the wheel cutter
The tool list says this
The tool sketch shows it
The man readable code in the file says this
The operator missed it, and set the offset off the bottom of the wheel cutter

Cause of the defect .... programming error!!!!!    
Corrective action ....     slap the guy silly ?    

I learned years ago, operators don't know about reading, I make pictures with arrows and if there is text it's UUUGGE!

For some expensive items, I will make sectional views by rotating the 3d isometric and scaling it and extruding away the excess.
My coworker was rofl when he opened the files.

And all my guys have to do is flip the panel on the y axis at optional stop.

[neurosis]

Neu
How is you second side fixture datumed?
Can you add a clocking hole at XY zero?
Difficult to get that wrong...

It's not being run in a fixture.  The part is as square tube that gets cut to length and gets some notches cut in the end.  There are no holes in the part.

This is probably the easiest part in the building.     His confusion comes from locating off of a sawed end for side 1, and a finished end for side 2.   Real tough stuff.

[HTM01]

I just use active reports and edit the setup sheet with open office.  


I was using X+ for a long time but my boss is cheap and X+ is no longer free.  

Ditto that, my boss is cheaper than baby birds. I am sticking with 2019 for now because of X+, hoping that the purse strings loosen.
I like the compact design  of the X+ setup sheet. Now if I could only get the guys to actually READ the darned things.

baffles me how you can spend $500,000 on a machine but not $200 for a set up sheet, do they make you use HSS cutters because carbide is too expensive ?

[pmartin]

I just use active reports and edit the setup sheet with open office.  


I was using X+ for a long time but my boss is cheap and X+ is no longer free.  

Ditto that, my boss is cheaper than baby birds. I am sticking with 2019 for now because of X+, hoping that the purse strings loosen.
I like the compact design  of the X+ setup sheet. Now if I could only get the guys to actually READ the darned things.

baffles me how you can spend $500,000 on a machine but not $200 for a set up sheet, do they make you use HSS cutters because carbide is too expensive ?

No, we use carbide...but, although we have a tool supply system with literally hundreds of cutting tools and insert selections I have no way of knowing weather or not a tool, for example a 3/8 end mill that we use constantly, will be in stock. And he refuses to put coolant fed drills into the system, because we will use them indiscriminately if given the chance.

[neurosis]

baffles me how you can spend $500,000 on a machine but not $200 for a set up sheet, do they make you use HSS cutters because carbide is too expensive ?

They did when I first started working here. That was almost 30 years ago.    

Back in those days we used to sharpen our own end mills and grind our own rads on them as well.  Our set up sheets were hand written by the operators and filed in a cabinet with the programs stored on floppy disc.

[HTM01]

Ditto that, my boss is cheaper than baby birds. I am sticking with 2019 for now because of X+, hoping that the purse strings loosen.
I like the compact design  of the X+ setup sheet. Now if I could only get the guys to actually READ the darned things.

baffles me how you can spend $500,000 on a machine but not $200 for a set up sheet, do they make you use HSS cutters because carbide is too expensive ?

No, we use carbide...but, although we have a tool supply system with literally hundreds of cutting tools and insert selections I have no way of knowing weather or not a tool, for example a 3/8 end mill that we use constantly, will be in stock. And he refuses to put coolant fed drills into the system, because we will use them indiscriminately if given the chance.

we do a lot of exotic metals so carbide drills is a must but it saves money in the long run, we used a #25 drill in aluminum 3/4 deep on molds we used to do 40ipm ran that same drill for 5 years, before that they would go through dozens of HSS a year and took 10 times as long