The death of motorcycle fourms

[Matthew Hajicek]

Switching CAM systems is easier for smaller companies. The last few switches I've seen were related to equipment support. Guy went from HSMWorks to Esprit. He's got a Matsuura MX, Matsuura ES, and a Puma Lathe and he's getting an EDM and considering a swiss. He wanted something that could do all 3 equally well. And somethign that olkayed nice with his CAMplete. He kinda likes it.

^^ This.

I'm helping my biggest client pick out a machine, looking seriously at an Okuma Genos M460-5AX, and considering the possibility of adding a Swiss or Mill-Turn in the future.  We want software that can handle any of those machines equally well.  I'm thinking Esprit or Top solid look like top contenders.

[YoDoug]

^^ This.

I'm helping my biggest client pick out a machine, looking seriously at an Okuma Genos M460-5AX, and considering the possibility of adding a Swiss or Mill-Turn in the future.  We want software that can handle any of those machines equally well.  I'm thinking Esprit or Top solid look like top contenders.

We have a Genos M460-5AX here and use Topsolid to program it. We also have the MU-4000V for a comparison of Okumas two different 400mm 5x machines. We also have quite a few mill-turns. You (and your client) are welcome to come for visit if you want to see the machines/software and get first hand user perspective.

[gcode]

He posited that there was just not enough new first time customers and getting customer to switch CAM was too difficult to add up to any meaningful growth for CAM companies. He said the only way to do it was through acquisition.

buy it up, shut it down and force the peasants to buy your stuff

[CNCAppsJames]

Was forced to work with an IHS mastercam post this week instead of CAMplete.

I always feel like I'm flying blind in those situations. IDGAF how good people say MockSim is... it's still not simulating actual code. That's a problem for me. Regardless if it's CAMplete, IMS, Icam, or Vericut... I'm still gonna use one of those products.

Hypermill... those guys remind me of Microsoft in the mid-90's. Microsoft purposefully (AND UNNECESSARILY) built Internet Exploder into the framework... Hypermill and NX to a certain extent does that with their machine simulation.

[mkd]

^^ This.

I'm helping my biggest client pick out a machine, looking seriously at an Okuma Genos M460-5AX, and considering the possibility of adding a Swiss or Mill-Turn in the future.  We want software that can handle any of those machines equally well.  I'm thinking Esprit or Top solid look like top contenders.

I went head to head in a 5axis test cut against a 460. It went well.
Consider Hypermill as well. Their simulation surpasses the capibility of vericut in one important way.you can pull the tool and fixture offsets into it to verify what you actually have setup on the machine. Hypermill queries the control directly.
(Not sure how to do that in vericut)

[mkd]

I always feel like I'm flying blind in those situations. IDGAF how good people say MockSim is... it's still not simulating actual code. That's a problem for me. Regardless if it's CAMplete, IMS, Icam, or Vericut... I'm still gonna use one of those products.

Hypermill... those guys remind me of Microsoft in the mid-90's. Microsoft purposefully (AND UNNECESSARILY) built Internet Exploder into the framework... Hypermill and NX to a certain extent does that with their machine simulation.

Yeah, a 'post' includes simulation.

[TSmcam]

TopSolid now has integrated code simulation, using Eureka. I havent used it, though I have full access to it.

From what I have seen, it looks really good, but I'm not a fan of totally integrated simulation/verification. On the surface it all looks good, but (and I am not sure why) I prefer a standalone simulation/verification application.

It is kind of like the QA inspector signing off the first part inspection  rather than the machinist doing it

[CNCAppsJames]

I can point out a few spindles that have been trashed because Hypermill's MockSim is dogshit and should be considered "For Reference Only".

And they (HyperShill) like to ASSume the High Speed modes to use in what situations instead of asking somebody who would know.

[TSmcam]

I went head to head in a 5axis test cut against a 460. It went well.
Consider Hypermill as well. Their simulation surpasses the capibility of vericut in one important way.you can pull the tool and fixture offsets into it to verify what you actually have setup on the machine. Hypermill queries the control directly.
(Not sure how to do that in vericut)

I'm not sure how you do that in Vericut either, but I am pretty sure you can. I recall someone describing doing that a few years back. The machine offset parameters can be output, which is just a set of data. I honestly can't recall wether it was a spreadsheet or a text file that was used.

I can ask the question

[crazy^millman]

I went head to head in a 5axis test cut against a 460. It went well.
Consider Hypermill as well. Their simulation surpasses the capibility of vericut in one important way.you can pull the tool and fixture offsets into it to verify what you actually have setup on the machine. Hypermill queries the control directly.
(Not sure how to do that in vericut)

Yes it can be done. You need to do a parameter dump real time before running the simulation. In the VMC you need to assign where you want to pull the variable from for the Verification and you have real verification tied to where the part is on the machine and the tool lengths put in the machine. A complete Zoller or TMS system should be used to verify the holders and tools match and now you have real time verification. NCSIMUL can support the same capability.

[mkd]

Yes it can be done. You need to do a parameter dump real time before running the simulation. In the VMC you need to assign where you want to pull the variable from for the Verification and you have real verification tied to where the part is on the machine and the tool lengths put in the machine. A complete Zoller or TMS system should be used to verify the holders and tools match and now you have real time verification. NCSIMUL can support the same capability.

So some prep work needs to be done ahead....I'm assuming you're talking FANUC controls.
 On a heidenhain, all Hypermill needs is the IP address of the machine. It simple reads the tool.t and preset.pr file. easy-peasy. -benefits of not being saddled with 50 year old architecture (shots fired lol)

[crazy^millman]

So some prep work needs to be done ahead....I'm assuming you're talking FANUC controls.
 On a heidenhain, all Hypermill needs is the IP address of the machine. It simple reads the tool.t and preset.pr file. easy-peasy. -benefits of not being saddled with 50 year old architecture (shots fired lol)

Then same process would apply to both softwares. If the information is ready available then the IP address was the prep work needed to get Hypermill to work. It is all about the process and the people implementing that process. Verisurf can take probe data from the machine and give you live feedback to the model showing you deviations real time on any machine, but not to many people looking to do that so for those customers that had Verisurf hook it up it is done. No difference for any Verification software. Hypermill got with them and did a process to set it up. If CNC Software would have listened to me years ago we would have a lot of these things already in place, but I am the crazy person with the ego talking about my computer specs all the time on the other forum so what could I possible know.     

[Incogneeto]

Sooooo ,yea I am really upset about The Motorcycle Forums.

[Incogneeto]

Go spend 10 mins consoling yourself in pornhub
😁

What am I Sposed to do with the other 8 and a half Minutes???

[TSmcam]

Hmmm...that's not good....
Vulture Capitalist companies all have a 3-5 year plan to either milk it then sell it, or build it and sell it.
It WILL be sold on again....

Maybe, but not for a while. There is a major chunk of development going on.

I know more than you