The COVID JAB UPDATED POLL

[crazy^millman]

Might not be a big deal until she has her first aneurysm or stroke https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2022/11/14/covid-reinfections#:~:text=Compared%20with%20individuals%20who%20were,heart%20problems%2C%20and%20blood%20clotting.

The study found an increased risk of complications across all patients, regardless of vaccination status. The risks of complications, including pulmonary, cardiovascular, hematological, diabetes, gastrointestinal, kidney, mental health, musculoskeletal, and neurological disorders, were most prevalent during an active infection—but they lingered six months after infection.

Read this from your article before you go spouting off about wearing masks. Unless everyone is wearing a N95 grade mask properly wearing a mask should be optional to anyone and everyone!!!

[YoDoug]

Might not be a big deal until she has her first aneurysm or stroke https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2022/11/14/covid-reinfections#:~:text=Compared%20with%20individuals%20who%20were,heart%20problems%2C%20and%20blood%20clotting.

Purely anecdotal, but every single person I have talked to that has had covid more than once said each successive time the severity was less. The first time I had it I was sick for two weeks. It took a few months before I felt fully back to normal. The second time two days and felt like mild flu.

[TylerBeer]

Purely anecdotal, but every single person I have talked to that has had covid more than once said each successive time the severity was less. The first time I had it I was sick for two weeks. It took a few months before I felt fully back to normal. The second time two days and felt like mild flu.

How far apart was it?  If it was < 6 months then I could see having some immunity, or if it was the same strain.

Bunch of reports on how successive infections is not good.

[TylerBeer]

Read this from your article before you go spouting off about wearing masks. Unless everyone is wearing a N95 grade mask properly wearing a mask should be optional to anyone and everyone!!!

Not really following you there because what you posted says vaccination and nothing about masks but yeah sure, wear an N95 and properly... why not?

My wife has cancer, if she gets covid she has to stop chemotherapy because the risk of blood clots is too high, and it increases the chance for a relapse.   So I really don't give a FUCK how minorly inconvenient it is for her co-workers to wear a mask.

[YoDoug]

How far apart was it?  If it was < 6 months then I could see having some immunity, or if it was the same strain.

Bunch of reports on how successive infections is not good.

For me it was a little over a year. For most of the employees here that I know it was around that same time frame.

MEH, the medical community is fully sold out to big pharma. Big pharma says you need to keep getting your boosters or you risk more severe infection they lose profits.

Also, between the election fraud that is going to be exposed in the current AZ lawsuit going to trial next week and the truth of the depths of left media/gov corruption coming out on twitter, the left needs some good old Covid fear porn to keep their followers afraid and compliant.

[mowens]

Not really following you there because what you posted says vaccination and nothing about masks but yeah sure, wear an N95 and properly... why not?

My wife has cancer, if she gets covid she has to stop chemotherapy because the risk of blood clots is too high, and it increases the chance for a relapse.   So I really don't give a FUCK how minorly inconvenient it is for her co-workers to wear a mask.

I wish the best for your wife.

[TylerBeer]

For me it was a little over a year. For most of the employees here that I know it was around that same time frame.

MEH, the medical community is fully sold out to big pharma. Big pharma says you need to keep getting your boosters or you risk more severe infection they lose profits.

Also, between the election fraud that is going to be exposed in the current AZ lawsuit going to trial next week and the truth of the depths of left media/gov corruption coming out on twitter, the left needs some good old Covid fear porn to keep their followers afraid and compliant.

It's also december which has always been getting-sick season whether flu or otherwise.  If you look at wastewater data it tracks directly with thanksgiving and then christmas.

I've never thought of Yale as left-wing? Stanford sure..
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

I'm not sure what big pharma stands to gain from promoting the use of surgical masks.



I can understand the not wanting to buy into what big pharma is selling - but at what point is there ANY science that's then accepted with regard to fighting communicable disease?

Healthy skepticism aside, what then, is the suggestion from the libertarians and woke-right?  or it's just all statistics are lies and anything you don't see with your own eyes isn't real so there's not a problem?

[YoDoug]

It's also december which has always been getting-sick season whether flu or otherwise.  If you look at wastewater data it tracks directly with thanksgiving and then christmas.

I've never thought of Yale as left-wing? Stanford sure..
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html

I'm not sure what big pharma stands to gain from promoting the use of surgical masks.



I can understand the not wanting to buy into what big pharma is selling - but at what point is there ANY science that's then accepted with regard to fighting communicable disease?

Healthy skepticism aside, what then, is the suggestion from the libertarians and woke-right?  or it's just all statistics are lies and anything you don't see with your own eyes isn't real so there's not a problem?

This is one of the models that is largely used for covid decisions by many in gov. Scroll down to the daily deaths. Considerable drop in daily deaths from Jan 21 to Jan 22. the projection for Jan 23 is almost non-existent compared to the two previous years. Inline with normal flu deaths. This is actual real collect data and completely opposes the article you linked saying the risk is higher. If multiple infections increased risk of death as they say, the data would show it.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=daily-deaths&tab=trend

[Smit]

Healthy skepticism aside, what then, is the suggestion from the libertarians and woke-right?  or it's just all statistics are lies and anything you don't see with your own eyes on the Gateway Pundit isn't real so there's not a problem?

Fissed to reflect reality. 

[TylerBeer]

This is one of the models that is largely used for covid decisions by many in gov. Scroll down to the daily deaths. Considerable drop in daily deaths from Jan 21 to Jan 22. the projection for Jan 23 is almost non-existent compared to the two previous years. Inline with normal flu deaths. This is actual real collect data and completely opposes the article you linked saying the risk is higher. If multiple infections increased risk of death as they say, the data would show it.

https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=daily-deaths&tab=trend

Why are we trusting this data and not the data from the article?

[YoDoug]

Why are we trusting this data and not the data from the article?

Here is link to the study. They make all kinds of assumptions and they are comparing risk against people who don't get reinfected. Essentially they have data for 5 million people that have no reported infections, a half million with only one reported infection, and 40k with multiple infections. They did not follow up with the 5.5 million to see if they did in fact have infection/re-infection and what severity is was. Again, Since home tests came out the majority of re-infections are found using home tests and not reported unless medical help is needed. They just made assumptions based on the 40k recorded multiple infections. I don't know why they chose to do it that way but it is hardly thorough and conclusive research.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-02051-3

The data I showed is just simple daily deaths, kind of hard to fudge that. You don't need to make a bunch of assumptions, you just count the deaths each day and report.

[MIL-TFP-41]

Purely anecdotal, but every single person I have talked to that has had covid more than once said each successive time the severity was less. The first time I had it I was sick for two weeks. It took a few months before I felt fully back to normal. The second time two days and felt like mild flu.

As far as I know I have had it 3 times. First time, I didn't know it, found out I had it because they found the antibodies when I donated blood.

2nd is the question mark time, never got tested, but it was a pretty wicked cold (between Christmas & New Years last year)

3rd time was no fun. Tested positive last May, pretty damn sick for 4 or 5 days. After effects lasted maybe a month or 6 weeks...at least it took that long till I was able to do my typical hikes at altitude without getting a killer headache.

Going off of that trend, I defiantly hop I don't get it again....

[crazy^millman]

Not really following you there because what you posted says vaccination and nothing about masks but yeah sure, wear an N95 and properly... why not?

My wife has cancer, if she gets covid she has to stop chemotherapy because the risk of blood clots is too high, and it increases the chance for a relapse.  So I really don't give a FUCK how minorly inconvenient it is for her co-workers to wear a mask.

Tyler I am sorry for your wife, but her issue now needs to be the requirement of everyone she works with? Their rights and choices are thrown out the window because of it? I am not trying to come across cold or calculus by any means, but Doctors and Nurses double mask up in Hospitals and Emergency rooms to do everything they can to not get it. They know the cloth and other masks prevent nothing. If that is what she has to do because of her condition then sorry it is what it is. She is more at risk of getting the common cold than Covid and that would scare me as much if not more with what she is going through. For the record if I worked near her and knew she was going through it I would always wear a mask, but doesn't mean I think everyone around her should be required to.

Riverside County is the 10th most populated county in America. We are still at .272% mortality rate because of Covid.

Population

Covid Death to Date

[TylerBeer]

Tyler I am sorry for your wife, but her issue now needs to be the requirement of everyone she works with? Their rights and choices are thrown out the window because of it? I am not trying to come across cold or calculus by any means, but Doctors and Nurses double mask up in Hospitals and Emergency rooms to do everything they can to not get it. They know the cloth and other masks prevent nothing. If that is what she has to do because of her condition then sorry it is what it is. She is more at risk of getting the common cold than Covid and that would scare me as much if not more with what she is going through. For the record if I worked near her and knew she was going through it I would always wear a mask, but doesn't mean I think everyone around her should be required to.

Riverside County is the 10th most populated county in America. We are still at .272% mortality rate because of Covid.

Population

Covid Death to Date

Great glad to hear the mortality is low, thank god for vaccines and mask mandates.

You don't have the right to go into work naked, or to wear a shit that says "I'm going to kill everyone in this office".  If the rules of the workplace stipulate that you have to wear a face covering, then you'll have to do it.

Doctors and nurses wear masks also so they don't fling droplets into mouths, open wounds etc. Same reason they wash their hands.
Do they have the right to not wash their hands? probably, but who wants that?

Forever? No - and if it was 10 years ago I wouldn't have any expectations like that - but if the world public health authorities say there's a pandemic and people should wear masks when infections are up, then I think people should wear them in the workplace around my wife, and other peoples wives, husbands etc.

And for the record I have worked in public health, it's no great conspiracy - it's a bunch of MEGA nerds who up until now toiled away un-thought of and un-thanked, and now that we actually need them, half the country wants to call them liars.  It's embarrassing. 
If we approached manufacturing like that, everything would get sent to china. Wait a second

[RobertELee]

Cool stuff - what other super easy things do they not want to do?