Is this a step toward legalization?? Biden to pardon pot offenses.

Started by rdshear, October 06, 2022, 12:35 PM

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JParis

He really should have called for the review first....then if the law was changed pardoned all..

But, it's an election year and he can't wait for the machinations of governemnt, he needs votes...so he plays it in reverse.

Mary Jane laws really need to come off the books...enough

Tim Johnson

Quote from: JParis on October 06, 2022, 12:39 PMHe really should have called for the review first....then if the law was changed pardoned all..

But, it's an election year and he can't wait for the machinations of governemnt, he needs votes...so he plays it in reverse.

Mary Jane laws really need to come off the books...enough
All drugs and alcohol should be removed from Federal law with exception to drugs coming across our borders and let it be a tenth amendment issue.
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JParis

Quote from: Tim Johnson on October 06, 2022, 12:56 PMAll drugs and alcohol should be removed from Federal law with exception to drugs coming across our borders and let it be a tenth amendment issue.

I could support that

Smit

It's the right thing to do and should have been done long ago.  :smoke:

Quote from: Tim Johnson on October 06, 2022, 12:56 PMAll drugs and alcohol should be removed from Federal law with exception to drugs coming across our borders and let it be a tenth amendment issue.

If drugs were legalized and regulated like alcohol they could be imported with supervision and the drug trade would be a boost to the economy. A side benefit is the cartels would lose much of their influence. The gangs in Central American countries would lose a major source of income.

Drug laws cause much more damage than drugs do in the big picture.

mkd

well nutty liberals say the 2a thing is for flintlocks.
the arms race in the world of pharmaceuticals has gone well beyond the founding father's wildest dreams. Everything more powerful than aspirin should require a background check, a 30 day waiting period and an anal probe.
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mkd

Quote from: Smit on October 06, 2022, 03:38 PMIt's the right thing to do and should have been done long ago.  :smoke:

If drugs were legalized and regulated like alcohol they could be imported with supervision and the drug trade would be a boost to the economy. A side benefit is the cartels would lose much of their influence. The gangs in Central American countries would lose a major source of income.

Drug laws cause much more damage than drugs do in the big picture.
right! just use the fentanyl control scheme Bidet is currently not implementing. what could possibly go wrong??

mkd

$30 gazzilion for Ukraine, but the fukwits in DC won't FUCKING CARPET BOMB THE CARTELS TO SAVE OUR KIDS.
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mkd

Janet Reno used saving the children argument to justify burning out the Branch-davidians to death, why shouldn't we use it to carpet bomb the human smugglers and cartels that killing our kids?
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CNCAppsJames

Yep, Reno put the FULL weaponized weight of the Federal Govenrment upon women and children. 
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BrianP.

Doesn't seem to be working well in Portland.

https://www.city-journal.org/oregons-disastrous-drug-experiment

QuoteOn the issue of reducing addiction and overdoses, Oregon's decriminalization of drug use has been a tragic failure. Overdose deaths rose by over 33 percent in Oregon in 2021, the year after the law was passed, compared with a rise of 15 percent in the rest of the United States. As for the claim that the law would provide a pathway to treatment for addicts, less than 1 percent of the people eligible for treatment under Measure 110—a paltry 136 people—ended up getting help.


The impact of decriminalizing drugs did not stop with addiction and overdoses. Police in Portland report that all categories of crime jumped in reaction to Measure 110. Drug addicts need money; they got it by stealing items and reselling them, so property crimes rose. Once a drug market opens up, drug dealers move in to service it. As a result, the streets of Portland are awash in guns and drugs. With drug dealers battling for turf, gun violence increased. Portland recorded 90 homicides in 2021, shattering the old record for annual murders in the city.
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CNCAppsJames

QuoteOregon should have listened. On the issue of reducing addiction and overdoses, Oregon's decriminalization of drug use has been a tragic failure. Overdose deaths rose by over 33 percent in Oregon in 2021, the year after the law was passed, compared with a rise of 15 percent in the rest of the United States. As for the claim that the law would provide a pathway to treatment for addicts, less than 1 percent of the people eligible for treatment under Measure 110—a paltry 136 people—ended up getting help. In fact, out of the 2,576 tickets written by police for drug possession, only 116 people called the help hotline to get the ticket waived, with the vast majority of the others choosing to pay the minimal fine instead. As Coelho warned, without the threat of incarceration and the mandatory court programs that come with an arrest, addicts seldom have any interest in getting treatment.

NOBODY saw that coming I'm sure. ::)

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If you can't be trusted to pump your own gas, you can't be trusted to make good life choices. I'm just sayin'...

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Smit

Quote from: BrianP. on October 07, 2022, 07:46 AMDoesn't seem to be working well in Portland.

I'm not sure what's happening in Portland but a half ass measure like decriminalization without legalizing and regulating drugs isn't going to remove the criminal element from the equation.

I don't see why overdose deaths should go up unless they just happen to have a more dangerous mix of illicit drugs. Personally I wouldn't start doing drugs just because they were decriminalized.