Starship launch this morning

[Del.]

[gcode]

About 20 seconds after liftoff I though I saw a couple of flashes at the bottom of the rocket
I think they lost a couple of engines and the uneven thrust caused the rocket's trajectory to slowly degrade

Disclaimer... I am not a rocket scientist, but I've launched a shit ton of bottle rockets in my day.

[RobertELee]

About 20 seconds after liftoff I though I saw a couple of flashes at the bottom of the rocket
I think they lost a couple of engines and the uneven thrust caused the rocket's trajectory to slowly degrade

Disclaimer... I am not a rocket scientist, but I've launched a shit ton of bottle rockets in my day.

Yeah at one point they had 5 engines out.

You can see that at the bottom left of the screenshot.

[gcode]

Tesla stock also tumbling today (but for different reasons).

Tesla's are POS..
a friend of mine leased one because his work put a bunch of charging stations in the parking lot
that are free for employees... and he thought he could commute on the cheap.
He measures his range in minutes, not miles..
After a day on the charger full charge   it's 2 hours tops.. subtract 40 to 50% if you turn on the AC.
Since he doesn't have a charger at home, a round trip from home to work and back home
is a chancy endeavor.
He's had it a year, put less than 10K on it and the tires are shot.
He is SO glad he leased and didn't buy.. he's counting the days till he can give it back.

From what I've read there are other problems as well
Because of all the batteries, these cars are heavier than gas powered cars
Between the extra weight and massive torque EV's have tire life is very poor and tires are much more expensive
The extra weight also means crashes are much more violent.
and
because body shops can't work on the batteries, insurance companies are totaling Tesla's out for even minor
crashes.. which means insurance premiums are brutal.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Tesla's are POS..

Good info! Thank you.

I got super lucky (an educated guess). Tesla my best trade this year. Started buying at $112 a share. Then bought again at same price (it dipped lower momentarily). Then it started shooting higher. I bought more on the way up. Keep soaring, so I kept buying. My avg. cost basis was $140 a share (200 shares). It hit $212 a share and then dipped a little. My senses told me get out, don't be greedy. So I sold full position at $207.50. Profit of 13.5K. (and in my ROTH IRA account, zero taxes) Right now intraday down to $163 (off -9.5% today).

Damn, if only I could do that for every stock. I'd be rich. lol

Most stocks I hold for 6 months to a couple years or longer. It varies depending on market conditions. Tesla was a short term trade, which I planned out. That stock shot from $112 to $212 a share in like one month (maybe less). Felt like I was strapped onto a SpaceX rocket. 

[mkd]

Between the extra weight and massive torque EV's have tire life is very poor and tires are much more expensive
The extra weight also means crashes are much more violent.

100% torque at zero RPM is a feature, not a bug.
 You (and me) might want to do more research.
Cheapest model 3 RWD is $40k and in Kali between state $2k and federal incentives $3700. Subtract fuel savings over 6 years, you're looking at comparable (cheaper) to a Toyota Camry without have to drive in a camry shitbox.
 you must worship at the altar of electric Jesus; resistance is futile. (edit: lol it was a stupid joke)
I'm not going to say a Tesla is going to have more longevity than a Camry as Toyota reliability is legendary, but a vehicle with 10,000 fewer moving parts, hoses, seals etc, the probabilities are pretty good. Yeah the cheapest model 3 has LFP battery which should yield double the cycle life of Li ion.

[gcode]

100% torque at zero RPM is a feature, not a bug.

agreed, but performance always has a price and in this case that price is more $$$ to keep good shoes on the Tesla.

I know nothing of what Tesla's cost.. I do know there have been significant price reductions lately.
While good for current buyers, these reductions really hurt residual value for people who purchased them earlier.
(like my friend)

I'm not going to argue reliability, electric Jesus or whatever.
I'm just posting my friends experience.
His employer put in a bunch of chargers and offered their use to employees for free.
My friend leased a Tesla thinking he would be able to use it for commuting to work.
He can use it to commute to work if he's careful, but since he has no charger at home
he can't drive it on weekends.
He is very relieved that he leased and did not buy and is counting the days till he can
get it out of his life.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

We have liftoff!

JUICE heading to Jupiter's hood to study the icy moons Ganymede, Europa, and Callisto. Will arrive there by July (ah, 2031).

I'll be 67 by then if I'm still living (I will...I wouldn't miss this for the world) 

JUICE will not study my favorite moon there (Io). Read about Io in my Saturn thread, you won't be disappointed!

[mkd]

agreed, but performance always has a price and in this case that price is more $$$ to keep good shoes on the Tesla.

I know nothing of what Tesla's cost.. I do know there have been significant price reductions lately.
While good for current buyers, these reductions really hurt residual value for people who purchased them earlier.
(like my friend)

I'm not going to argue reliability, electric Jesus or whatever.
I'm just posting my friends experience.
His employer put in a bunch of chargers and offered their use to employees for free.
My friend leased a Tesla thinking he would be able to use it for commuting to work.
He can use it to commute to work if he's careful, but since he has no charger at home
he can't drive it on weekends.
He is very relieved that he leased and did not buy and is counting the days till he can
get it out of his life.

I haven't' talked to any actual owners. Interesting feedback. Lot's of fanboy stuff out there, good to hear some real world negatives. Electric jesus/ star trek joke fell flat, sorry. Kinda hard to respect the opinion of a guy that failed to implement the #1 use case for the product he bought; I.E. charging at home with the cheaper than gas-no-tax electricity and buying a ferrari but complains of tire wear. If he hates it so much maybe i should buy it off him for cheap. Sorry, if i sound like i'm arguing...I guess I am. i'l try stfu. 

[Del.]

Tesla's are POS..
a friend of mine leased one because his work put a bunch of charging stations in the parking lot
that are free for employees... and he thought he could commute on the cheap.
He measures his range in minutes, not miles..
After a day on the charger full charge   it's 2 hours tops.. subtract 40 to 50% if you turn on the AC.
Since he doesn't have a charger at home, a round trip from home to work and back home
is a chancy endeavor.
He's had it a year, put less than 10K on it and the tires are shot.
He is SO glad he leased and didn't buy.. he's counting the days till he can give it back.

From what I've read there are other problems as well
Because of all the batteries, these cars are heavier than gas powered cars
Between the extra weight and massive torque EV's have tire life is very poor and tires are much more expensive
The extra weight also means crashes are much more violent.
and
because body shops can't work on the batteries, insurance companies are totaling Tesla's out for even minor
crashes.. which means insurance premiums are brutal.

My stepson just bought a new one. Took us for a test drive.  Tremendous take of power. Other than that I thought it was plain and boring looking.

Just wait until 300 EV's are in parking garages or stuck on an old bridge.

I still think they got the cart before the horse.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

A Tesla Model X PLAID went up against a high end Lamborghini and Ferrari. Both almost $400k. Ferrari won. Tesla 2nd. Lambo 3rd, every test. The Tesla and Ferrari were 1000+ hp, lambo 'only' 750 hp.

Click here...Vroom!

[gcode]

Kinda hard to respect the opinion of a guy that failed to implement the #1 use case for the product he bought; I.E. charging at home with the cheaper than gas-no-tax electricity

He figured he's be charging at work ... for free ...
Taking the advertised 280 - 300 mile per charge range values it was a sensible idea
The real world range in his case does not support a 20 mile commute.
Maybe the free at work chargers are the lowball stage one chargers and he never achieves a full charge during his 8 to 10 hours at work.
At any rate in his real world conditions, the car is nearly useless... and a 40 mile round trip
commute is not an unreasonable expectation.

Also
With the exception of ultra performance summer racing tires I'd expect better than 10K miles from a set of tires,
even on a Ferrari.. this guys does not hotrod

... his backup vehicle is a 15 year old Ford F150 with 250K+ miles on it

[YoDoug]

He figured he's be charging at work ... for free ...
Taking the advertised 280 - 300 mile per charge range values it was a sensible idea
The real world range in his case does not support a 20 mile commute.
Maybe the free at work chargers are the lowball stage one chargers and he never achieves a full charge during his 8 to 10 hours at work.
At any rate in his real world conditions, the car is nearly useless... and a 40 mile round trip
commute is not an unreasonable expectation.

Also
With the exception of ultra performance summer racing tires I'd expect better than 10K miles from a set of tires,
even on a Ferrari.. this guys does not hotrodder

... his backup vehicle is a 15 year old Ford F150 with 250K+ miles on it

That must be a slow level 1 chargers at his work. A standard 40-50 Amp outlet for a dryer or stove will charge a 80kWH battery in 8-10 hours.

[gcode]

My stepson just bought a new one. Took us for a test drive. 

I've been told that you shouldn't test drive one unless you plan on buying cause if you drive it you'll buy it.
Personally, my interest is less than zero.
My friend's wife hates theirs.. She said it drives "weird". I have no idea what that means.

[Incogneeto]

We have liftoff!



I'll be 67 by then if I'm still living (I will...I wouldn't miss this for the world) 

JUICE will not study my favorite moon there (Io). Read about Io in my Saturn thread, you won't be disappointed!

"I'm Sorry Dave I cant do that"