AI predicts the end of meat!

[YoDoug]

you are highlighting the obscure and rejecting the obvious:

Acts 10:
9 Next day, while these were on their journey and were drawing near the city, Peter went up to the house-top about noon, to pray there. 10 He was hungry, and waiting for a meal; and while they were preparing it, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opening, and a bundle, like a great sheet, let down by its four corners on to the earth; 12 in it were all kinds of four-footed beasts, and things that creep on the earth, and all the birds of heaven. 13 And a voice came to him, Rise up, Peter, lay about thee and eat. 14 It cannot be, Lord, answered Peter; never in my life have I eaten anything profane, anything unclean.[3] 15 Then the voice came to him a second time, It is not for thee to call anything profane, which God has made clean.

All of that said, I don't think there is anything inherently wrong about vegan diets. You'll probably live longer than me, with that diet. Who knows? Long life is not my ultimate goal. The teachings from the Sermon on the Mount are my ultimate goal.

I thought you might like this verse. this really has to do with the question of whether Gentiles should eat the meat that was sacrificed to idols. But the overall sentiment is that we should not be a stumbling block to others.

Romans:14
17 The kingdom of God is not a matter of eating or drinking this or that; it means rightness of heart, finding our peace and our joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Such is the badge of Christ's service which wins acceptance with God, and the good opinion of our fellow men. 19 Let our aim, then, be peace, and strengthening one another's faith. 20 It is not for thee to destroy God's work for the sake of a mouthful of food. Nothing is unclean; yet it goes ill with the man who eats to the hurt of his own conscience. 21 Thou dost well if thou refusest to eat meat, or to drink wine, or to do anything in which thy brother can find an occasion of sin, a cause for scandal or scruple.[8] 22 Thou hast a good conscience? Keep it a matter between thyself and God;

LOL, nothing to say about God's instructions for Adam.

[beej]

LOL, nothing to say about God's instructions for Adam.

no, because if I started on that, it would take this thread in such a different direction, that I thought it would be unfair to you as the original poster. But the short answer is that I don't subscribe to the literalist view of the creation story. I see it more in terms of one of the most beautiful stories of theology in the bible, and through the lens of "salvation history" rather than what we look for as history today.

[YoDoug]

no, because if I started on that, it would take this thread in such a different direction, that I thought it would be unfair to you as the original poster. But the short answer is that I don't subscribe to the literalist view of the creation story. I see it more in terms of one of the most beautiful stories of theology in the bible, and through the lens of "salvation history" rather than what we look for as history today.

So how/when do you choose to take God's word literally? When it fits your needs. That's why I don't go to church anymore. Whether it's LGBT friendly churches, money grabbing prosperity churches, etc. They all seem to ignore parts of the bible and preach the ones that fit their desires of the flesh, be it greed, lust, gluttony, etc.

[beej]

So how/when do you choose to take God's word literally? When it fits your needs. That's why I don't go to church anymore. Whether it's LGBT friendly churches, money grabbing prosperity churches, etc. They all seem to ignore parts of the bible and preach the ones that fit their desires of the flesh, be it greed, lust, gluttony, etc.

So, I would first say that I don't really feel like I have the authority to choose that. The church has the ultimate authority. So I submit to the teachings of the bible that go back to the earliest days of christianity. If modern teachings don't line up with ancient teachings, something is wrong. And there are an amazing amount of sermons and teachings down through the ages that have interpreted those scriptures. I'm talking about people like Augustine, Origen, Jerome, Ignatius of Antioch, Iranaeus, Thomas Aquinas, etc. There are many different forms of writing in the bible. There are historical writings, poetry, prophetic writings, apocalyptic writings etc. The bible is a library in a sense. Fundamentalist views are, in the scope of things, are fairly recent.  It is not always easy to tell when you are reading different types of scripture, but when you see imagery that is highly symbolic like you see in Ezekial, Daniel, and Revelation, it's easier to tell than when you read the creation story. But the fact is that there are actually 2 creation stories, one that talks about creation and one that talks about the fall of man. They are 2 different stories but together they make up some beautiful theology. Namely that while every other religion in the world was worshiping gods in the images of created things, like the sun, or rain, or animals, or even men, Genesis tells us that God exists outside of time and space. And that is incredible theology and insight for the time it was written in. But the imagery of the serpent and the 2 trees, on of good and evil and the other tree of eternal life. Those are images that point to the fact that what we are reading is more than just history. Far better than simple history in my estimation.

[YoDoug]

So, I would first say that I don't really feel like I have the authority to choose that. The church has the ultimate authority. So I submit to the teachings of the bible that go back to the earliest days of christianity. If modern teachings don't line up with ancient teachings, something is wrong. And there are an amazing amount of sermons and teachings down through the ages that have interpreted those scriptures. I'm talking about people like Augustine, Origen, Jerome, Ignatius of Antioch, Iranaeus, Thomas Aquinas, etc. There are many different forms of writing in the bible. There are historical writings, poetry, prophetic writings, apocalyptic writings etc. The bible is a library in a sense. Fundamentalist views are, in the scope of things, are fairly recent.  It is not always easy to tell when you are reading different types of scripture, but when you see imagery that is highly symbolic like you see in Ezekial, Daniel, and Revelation, it's easier to tell than when you read the creation story. But the fact is that there are actually 2 creation stories, one that talks about creation and one that talks about the fall of man. They are 2 different stories but together they make up some beautiful theology. Namely that while every other religion in the world was worshiping gods in the images of created things, like the sun, or rain, or animals, or even men, Genesis tells us that God exists outside of time and space. And that is incredible theology and insight for the time it was written in. But the imagery of the serpent and the 2 trees, on of good and evil and the other tree of eternal life. Those are images that point to the fact that what we are reading is more than just history. Far better than simple history in my estimation.

[YoDoug]

Mccartneys (well, Billy Shears ) ex wife, Heather Mills - after 30 years she closes the vegan empire.
She obviously blames the meat industry - looks like Klaus will have to alter our cells to make us allergic to the real stuff then!
https://twitter.com/heatherofficial/status/1734207931896287727

I read they actually have isolated the enzyme from the Lone Star tick that causes the meat allergy and that they can synthetically reproduce it. They could easily start distributing it in food or water supplies.

[YoDoug]

And they will. Because that is what they want to do.
And no one will know because if you develop intolerance, it will be age, or gluten, or lactose related, or whatever - made up BS. Because none of us will be able to test ourselves to prove what has changed/happened.

I should add though that I don't really think this will happen for two reasons.

1. While easy to add to food production or water system, those things are so diverse and regionally/locally produced it would be a huge undertaking to affect a large portion of the population.

2. The global meat and dairy industries are worth trillions of dollars. They have bought and paid for politicians and agency officials at every level of most first world countries. They will not go without a fight, hence all the massive misinformation campaigns and studies they produce now.

[beej]

I should add though that I don't really think this will happen for two reasons.

1. While easy to add to food production or water system, those things are so diverse and regionally/locally produced it would be a huge undertaking to affect a large portion of the population.

2. The global meat and dairy industries are worth trillions of dollars. They have bought and paid for politicians and agency officials at every level of most first world countries. They will not go without a fight, hence all the massive misinformation campaigns and studies they produce now.

And, they have already created genetically modified pigs who lack the Alpha Gal carbohydrate that causes the meat allergy

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-its-kind-intentional-genomic-alteration-line-domestic-pigs-both-human-food

[Jeff]

So how/when do you choose to take God's word literally? When it fits your needs. That's why I don't go to church anymore. Whether it's LGBT friendly churches, money grabbing prosperity churches, etc. They all seem to ignore parts of the bible and preach the ones that fit their desires of the flesh, be it greed, lust, gluttony, etc.

It's complete fiction anyway.

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

Did they, our are you speculating to make the bible fit your personal beliefs? The bible really doesn't say what animals outside the garden did nor does it say what whales or other fish did.

OK...So how did whales feed? Common sense, Doug. How did lions feed? On plants? No, they're meat eaters (who like their meat rare)

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

It's complete fiction anyway.

Maybe. Maybe not. You have to weigh the evidences (think a balance of scales). Many will be con (I admit), however... there are many pro evidences.

Is your EV (expected value) worth the bet? (Pascal's wager)

[YoDoug]

OK...So how did whales feed? Common sense, Doug. How did lions feed? On plants? No, they're meat eaters (who like their meat rare)

If read the bible based on common sense then the whole thing doesn't make any sense. Moses had a conversation with a burning bush. Common sense would say he ate some poisonous berries or mushrooms and hallucinated the whole thing. 

[Dan_AKA_ROY23]

So how/when do you choose to take God's word literally? When it fits your needs. That's why I don't go to church anymore. Whether it's LGBT friendly churches, money grabbing prosperity churches, etc. They all seem to ignore parts of the bible and preach the ones that fit their desires of the flesh, be it greed, lust, gluttony, etc.

Where in the bible does it say to NOT go to church?

It's a complex book. Its timeless. It was written for the audience of that time (when the book was written) yet speaks to us today. Interpretation can be tricky. It's safe to admit you don't have all the answers (and certainly nor do I).

In Copernicus's time, many clerical people scoffed at the idea the sun, planets, and stars didn't revolve around the earth. They were convinced that's what the bible clearly taught. Yet, we know that to be wrong today and looking at the sacred text....it never said that in the first place.

Are the days of creation literal 24 hours days? Some insist they are, but does the creation account say that? On a literal, surface reading it does. However, we need to examine the text more carefully. In Genesis 2, which is describing the 6th day of creation - did Adam have time in 24 hours to work the fields (cultivate the agriculture), name all the animals, and finally have his rib supernaturally removed for the creation of Eve? That's a very long day, in fact, far greater than a 24 hour timespan.

[YoDoug]

Where in the bible does it say to NOT go to church?

I choose to not go to church because every church I have spent enough time to get to see behind the curtain, always ended up being a massive disappointment when you see the ugliness of people cherry picking and twisting the bible to fit their needs.

[YoDoug]

If we are to believe that the bible is the holy word of God, and that God cannot lie, is absolute truth, then you cannot claim that Genesis 1:29-30 is not a true and accurate instruction from God of how he wanted mankind to eat.

https://answersingenesis.org/animal-behavior/what-animals-eat/creations-original-diet-and-the-changes-at-the-fall/