Colorado

[Del.]

It was sarcasm.   The fight going on right now is not a good one for the Right. I get the "moral" aspect of it, but I don't think that they see the Forrest trough the trees on this fight. Calling a bunch of women who want choice in their own matters baby killers, etc. isn't winning their vote. That red wave that was supposed to happen, didn't because of this.  Keep pushing and all that will be left to blame is voter fraud.

No matter how you figure they ARE killing babies and that's indisputable.

Replace abort babies with abort puppies and the Left would lose their shit.

[neurosis]

No matter how you figure they ARE killing babies and that's indisputable.

Replace abort babies with abort puppies and the Left would lose their shit.

That might be true, but are you opposed to birth control?  the day after pill?  Most abortions of convenience happen almost immediately after conception.  I mean?  How much do we pick apart the biology of that and how much if that is just religious zealotry?

I can get with you on the later stage abortions with the caveat of medical complications. 

[Del.]

That might be true, but are you opposed to birth control?  the day after pill?  Most abortions of convenience happen almost immediately after conception.  I mean?  How much do we pick apart the biology of that and how much if that is just religious zealotry?

I'm not against abortion in certain circumstances.

[neurosis]

I'm not against abortion in certain circumstances.

Most people aren't.

The argument and problem is that there is no middle ground.  You're either a baby killer or you aren't.

[Del.]

Most people aren't.

The argument and problem is that there is no middle ground.  You're either a baby killer or you aren't.

Even in instances where I would agree with an abortion, they are still killing a baby. That's just a cold hard truth.

[neurosis]

Even in instances where I would agree with an abortion, they are still killing a baby. That's just a cold hard truth.

I think that there is a line in there somewhere that they are still preventing a pregnancy and killing a baby.  Where is that line?  There is no science behind the rationality of the at conception crowd. 

When your leading argument is "because god says" you're going to lose some people.

[Elmer Fudd]

If you get rid of abortions you should get rid of medically induced pregnaceys. Let god decide who has offspring.

[RobertELee]

[CNCAppsJames]

...There is no science behind the rationality of the at conception all abortion all the time for any reason crowd. ...

Free counterpoint fiss.

[beej]

I think that there is a line in there somewhere that they are still preventing a pregnancy and killing a baby.  Where is that line?  There is no science behind the rationality of the at conception crowd.

When your leading argument is "because god says" you're going to lose some people.

I've never used the "because God says" argument.

I've used the argument that the fetus is a human being. Can you dispute that with science? It has distinct DNA from both the father and mother. Often even had a different blood type than the mother. And it's a being because it meets the 7 scientific criteria for being.

[neurosis]

I've never used the "because God says" argument.

I've used the argument that the fetus is a human being. Can you dispute that with science? It has distinct DNA from both the father and mother. Often even had a different blood type than the mother. And it's a being because it meets the 7 scientific criteria for being.

An embryo isn't considered a fetus for 8 weeks in to the pregnancy?  Right?

[neurosis]

This doesn't feel like Christmas conversation. 

[Del.]

An embryo isn't considered a fetus for 8 weeks in to the pregnancy?  Right?

Stop that   Once a woman is pregnant it's a human.

[mkd]

Most people aren't.

The argument and problem is that there is no middle ground.  You're either a baby killer or you aren't.

sorry to break it to you, murder is one of those black and white things. Sorry for bestowing fact and logic with your 'argument'

It was sarcasm.   The fight going on right now is not a good one for the Right. I get the "moral" aspect of it, but I don't think that they see the Forrest trough the trees on this fight. Calling a bunch of women who want choice in their own matters baby killers, etc. isn't winning their vote. That red wave that was supposed to happen, didn't because of this.  Keep pushing and all that will be left to blame is voter fraud.

I'm not too interested in Jeffery Dalmer's vote. You and your pinko commie death cultist can court that vote.
 I'm also not too heartbroken over the consequences he endured for his choices, as with death cult women not having consequences for their choices, and their cohort of pervert incel male feminist supporters calling a bar on murder a lack of choice. Insane and illogical and despicable.
 Where was the choice for the cannibalism victims and the baby girls and boys that had their brains sucked up in the womb?
 any libertarian that believes in the no rules, you do you, on this issue as many probably do, have it dead wrong, imo. Libertarian principals for the victim should be paramount

[mowens]

You are all wrong.
Every damn one of you.