Eat more Bacon!

[beej]

If the science says it it must be true.   

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Vegans-Have-Smaller-Brains/dp/191752305X

An Oxford University study found that people with the lowest levels of vitamin B12 had the most brain shrinkage over time. Brain scans from breast-fed babies of vegan mothers also show brain atrophy. In these babies the brain atrophy can be reversed with vitamin B12 if it is picked up in time. Vitamin B12 is not present in any plant food.

This groundbreaking book reveals why plant-based eating is not only harming human health, it is also harming the planet. The authors explain why a pasture-reared meat diet is more ethical and humane than a vegetarian or vegan diet. They show how crop farming is causing climate change, soil destruction, animal suffering and ecological disaster.

[DUM1]

funny thing about plant based diets . there are more plants that will kill you than meats .
puffer fish and polar bear liver, eel blood , are about it I think ,
the rest as long as their cooked properly

[Del.]

funny thing about plant based diets . there are more plants that will kill you than meats .
puffer fish and polar bear liver, eel blood , are about it I think ,
the rest as long as their cooked properly

Mmmm mmm. Eel blood.

[YoDoug]

If the science says it it must be true.   

https://www.amazon.com/Why-Vegans-Have-Smaller-Brains/dp/191752305X

Actually completely false big meat propaganda. This book has been thoroughly debunked claim by claim by actual researchers and nutrition scientists. The book says B12 is not present in any plant food. Then how the eff do animals get it? If you eat fruit or veggies raw from the plant you will get all the B12 you need. That's how animals get it. If you eat sprayed, washed fruit and veggies you will not. Most factory farmed animals are given B12 supplements because the processed grains they are fed are deplete of B12. There is a video out there showing emails between cattlemen's assoc and USDA employees (obtained by FOIA) discussing how to misrepresent the B12 argument to make plant based diets look bad. 

[beej]

Actually completely false big meat propaganda. This book has been thoroughly debunked claim by claim by actual researchers and nutrition scientists. The book says B12 is not present in any plant food. Then how the eff do animals get it? If you eat fruit or veggies raw from the plant you will get all the B12 you need. That's how animals get it. If you eat sprayed, washed fruit and veggies you will not. Most factory farmed animals are given B12 supplements because the processed grains they are fed are deplete of B12. There is a video out there showing emails between cattlemen's assoc and USDA employees (obtained by FOIA) discussing how to misrepresent the B12 argument to make plant based diets look bad. 

I would believe you if you didn't have a shrunken brain. 

[DUM1]

question YO Doug, how do you get the cholesterol that your body needs? not trying to be mean or anything just wondering.

[YoDoug]

question YO Doug, how do you get the cholesterol that your body needs? not trying to be mean or anything just wondering.

Two ways. My liver makes cholesterol, just like all humans. And in my brain, because of the blood brain barrier, my brain synthesizes it, just like all humans.

[beej]

If you eat fruit or veggies raw from the plant you will get all the B12 you need. That's how animals get it. If you eat sprayed, washed fruit and veggies you will not.

explain that. it sounds like you're saying that the B12 is a substance on the plant rather than in the plant that is getting washed away.

[YoDoug]

explain that. it sounds like you're saying that the B12 is a substance on the plant rather than in the plant that is getting washed away.

B12 is a vitamin that is made by bacteria. No animals or plants of any kind produce B12. Nutrient, microbe rich soil will have bacteria that create B12. When you pull a carrot out of the ground it most likely has B12 on it. When you wash it and peel it you most likely strip all of that B12 away. Animals that graze on the ground eat lots of B12 and the bacteria that produce it.

[YoDoug]

explain that. it sounds like you're saying that the B12 is a substance on the plant rather than in the plant that is getting washed away.

more info;

https://www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/vitamin-b12-questions-answered-2/

"Vitamin B12 is produced by bacteria, not animals or plants. As such, animals, including humans, must obtain it directly or indirectly from bacteria. It can be found in bacteria-laden manure and unsanitized water, though we obviously should not be consuming either of those things. It can also be found in the human intestinal tract, but it's not clear whether sufficient amounts are made and absorbed there to meet our nutritional needs.

Many animal foods contain high amounts of vitamin B12 because they accumulate this bacterial product during their lives, and livestock are often supplemented with vitamin B12 in their feed. These animals are also exposed to manure in their living conditions, with some even being fed manure. (For example, cows are sometimes fed poultry waste.) In fact, the FDA has reported that most meats are contaminated with fecal bacteria.

In the past, vitamin B12 from bacteria was also naturally and more reliably present in plant foods. Today, however, with modern hygienic practices more effectively cleaning and sanitizing produce, along with soil being exposed to more antibiotics and pesticides, most plant foods are no longer reliable sources of this bacterial product.

Interestingly, some plant foods still contain some vitamin B12, including certain mushrooms and seaweed. And, many plant-based food products, such as cereals, non-dairy milks, and nutritional yeast, are now fortified with a crystalline form of vitamin B12, making them good sources of vitamin B12.

The crystalline form of vitamin B12, which is the form used in fortified foods and supplements, is actually preferable to the protein-bound form present in animal foods because it's generally easier for our bodies to absorb.

[Incogneeto]

I would believe you if you didn't have a shrunken brain. 

And Bad Eyes.

[beej]

B12 is a vitamin that is made by bacteria. No animals or plants of any kind produce B12. Nutrient, microbe rich soil will have bacteria that create B12. When you pull a carrot out of the ground it most likely has B12 on it. When you wash it and peel it you most likely strip all of that B12 away. Animals that graze on the ground eat lots of B12 and the bacteria that produce it.

we grow our own carrots. There is no way that I would eat those unwashed. our soil get's heavily fortified with horse and chicken manure every year.

[Del.]

more info;

https://www.forksoverknives.com/wellness/vitamin-b12-questions-answered-2/

"Vitamin B12 is produced by bacteria, not animals or plants. As such, animals, including humans, must obtain it directly or indirectly from bacteria. It can be found in bacteria-laden manure and unsanitized water, though we obviously should not be consuming either of those things. It can also be found in the human intestinal tract, but it's not clear whether sufficient amounts are made and absorbed there to meet our nutritional needs.

Many animal foods contain high amounts of vitamin B12 because they accumulate this bacterial product during their lives, and livestock are often supplemented with vitamin B12 in their feed. These animals are also exposed to manure in their living conditions, with some even being fed manure. (For example, cows are sometimes fed poultry waste.) In fact, the FDA has reported that most meats are contaminated with fecal bacteria.

In the past, vitamin B12 from bacteria was also naturally and more reliably present in plant foods. Today, however, with modern hygienic practices more effectively cleaning and sanitizing produce, along with soil being exposed to more antibiotics and pesticides, most plant foods are no longer reliable sources of this bacterial product.

Interestingly, some plant foods still contain some vitamin B12, including certain mushrooms and seaweed. And, many plant-based food products, such as cereals, non-dairy milks, and nutritional yeast, are now fortified with a crystalline form of vitamin B12, making them good sources of vitamin B12.

The crystalline form of vitamin B12, which is the form used in fortified foods and supplements, is actually preferable to the protein-bound form present in animal foods because it's generally easier for our bodies to absorb.

I read where plants don't naturally contain B12 only meats

[YoDoug]

we grow our own carrots. There is no way that I would eat those unwashed. our soil get's heavily fortified with horse and chicken manure every year.

Even washing them they still probably contain some B12.

My point is just that B12 is a strawman argument from the big meat lobbies to misinform and scare people. There are tons of foods, both vegan and animal products that are B12 fortified. There are also vitamins. You would have to be on a very weird or limited vegan diet to get B12 deficient. If you are consuming any type of plant based milk alternative, nutritional yeast, or many other vegan foods you will get B12.

[YoDoug]

I read where plants don't naturally contain B12 only meats

B12 is a vitamin that is only made by bacteria. Where does the meat get it from?