Antifa is a terrorist organization?

[beej]

If people are being violent and break the law then hold them accountable, no problem.

But a riot isn't terrorism, as in random shooting, bombings, other stuff intended to induce terror.

Ok, some common ground. I think that we can build on that.  Is there a peaceful group that Trump has labeled as Antifa?

[Smit]

Like I said, I only know what I've seen on video. But in one of those, I saw several people dressed in black, wearing helmets and masks, attack a group of people who were holding signs; I don't know if they were demonstrating against abortion, gay people, or what. But the people in black attacked them, hitting them with sticks and clubs and then taking off.

Like most things on here, I think the truth lies somewhere between Smit and Jeff.

Are you sure it wasn't ICE? It sounds like our police force now.

Ok, some common ground. I think that we can build on that.  Is there a peaceful group that Trump has labeled as Antifa?

I guess it was clear in my mind but maybe not to everybody. The problem is there isn't a group called "antifa." It's what the right has named a movement, so Trump (and everybody on the right?) puts every group that pisses them off into the "antifa" movement.

So the bottom line is do you think the Trump administration can be trusted to fairly investigate the groups who are critical of their policies? Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi?

[SuperHoneyBadger]

Are they "ALL foaming-at-the-mouth-leftists?" No.

Come back and give us a full report after you express even centrist ideals to a member of Antifa in person. I'm not pontificating - as you seem to be - about this. I've been friends with them in the past. I didn't go to the G7 summit with them because something came up, but they got ideologically roped into violence, and when you're in it, you can't just turn around and walk away. That's the hardest part, there is internal violence and pressure to maintain status and not leave the club, or you're not a 'real' socialist, or a 'real' punk.

They have recruitment for impressionable outcasts, they purport to be an extension of any one of the smaller underground music scenes. Then you go to a protest and everyone around you is handing out black masks, bandanas and making game plans to deal with riot police, and now YOU know too much because you've seen faces and heard names.

Believe me, there is nothing other than leftist, socialist, anarchist, anti-west sentiment inside Antifa.

[beej]

It's what the right has named a movement, so Trump (and everybody on the right?) puts every group that pisses them off into the "antifa" movement.

third time. example please

[mowens]

So the bottom line is do you think the Trump administration can be trusted to fairly investigate the groups who are critical of their policies? Kash Patel, Dan Bongino, Pam Bondi?

They can be trusted as much as any administration.

This whole left right thing is such a waste of energy

Neither party has the best interest of the people at heart.

[Smit]

third time. example please

As of right now Trump has designated antifa as a terrorist organization. But...there is no antifa organization. What's the next step?

We'll see very soon who they'll put into the organization.

[Jeff]

third time. example please

You should know by now he won't. He never has. He can't. He's truly incapable of independent thought.
deflect deflect deflect.

[Smit]

They can be trusted as much as any administration.

This whole left right thing is such a waste of energy

Neither party has the best interest of the people at heart.

Yeah I know you don't think it makes a difference.

The Republican party is definitely has the interest of the rich people in their heart because it pays dividends in the long run. 

[mowens]

As do the Democrats.

[Jeff]

Another parrot.
I think he doesn't realize we have access to this thing called the internet.


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[SuperHoneyBadger]

As of right now Trump has designated antifa as a terrorist organization. But...there is no antifa organization. What's the next step?

We'll see very soon who they'll put into the organization.

What are you on about?

There's no organization? Like they don't have a fucking head office, so they don't count? Wake up boomer, the power structure exists on social media, telegram, signal, reddit and the dark web. What do you need for an entitiy to be an 'organization'? They're akin to terror cells: ideologically and socially linked together in a fabric of faux-grassroots movements around north america. Don't trust what wikipedia and pundits might say.

[beej]

As of right now Trump has designated antifa as a terrorist organization. But...there is no antifa organization. What's the next step?

We'll see very soon who they'll put into the organization.

OK, So you don't really have evidence that Trump is doing what you are saying he is doing. On the other hand. Just google "examples of trump being called a fascist"

It's amazing that he is still alive.

Do you, as a mainstream liberal, (I mean that in the best sense of the meaning) think that Trump is fascist? and if so, how?

[Smit]

Don't trust what wikipedia and pundits might say.

Fortunately I have you guys to keep me informed.

OK, So you don't really have evidence that Trump is doing what you are saying he is doing.

What I'm saying he is doing is naming antifa a terrorist organization. It's done. He did it.

There is plenty of evidence.

Do you have evidence antifa is trying to shoot you?

[mowens]

"Wake up boomer"

Watch it buster.

[Jeff]