Why Go After The Guy That Handed You the First Term?

[jstell]

Seriously.  I don't get it.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-accuses-prosecutors-comey-case-taking-indict-first-investigate-l-rcna242222
No retribution here.  Just following the law.

[CNCAppsJames]

So wait... NOW all of the sudden "indict first, investigate later" is not OK? I'm shocked. 

I've got a book chock full of EXACTLY that behavior... Three Felonies a Day by Harvey Silverglate. You should read it. Anyone afraid to read it doesn't hate their government enough.   

Comey is finally getting a taste of what he's been doing to people for his entire career and he doesn't like it. I'm shocked. Completely and totally shocked I tell ya.  

And the Judge... Fitzpatrik... MASSachussets Magistrate... does't like Big Bad Government going after poor little Comey. Go figure.

 

[Jeff]

It's what the left has done dozens of times the last 4 years, but now you have an issue with it?
Now if a law was changed temporarily in order to indict and prosecute, then that would certainly be too far...right?

[Bucky Cornstarch]

It's what the left has done dozens of times the last 4 years, but now you have an issue with it?
Now if a law was changed temporarily in order to indict and prosecute, then that would certainly be too far...right?

Can't we take our whataboutism a little further back, to Hilary at least?

[Jeff]

DEFLECT! And use the famous "ism" response!

[gcode]

and in other news that is sure to outrage our leftist friends
Trump pardoned Giuliani and other evil conspirators over the weekend.

I'd also bet Trump personally signed the pardons and knew what he was signing.

[Smit]

Poor old Rudy.

He's like the poster boy for persecution for Trumpers.

[Jeff]

I'd also bet Trump personally signed the pardons and knew what he was signing.

I'd bet my life savings that Biden still doesn't know 90% of what EO's were autopenned.

[CNCAppsJames]

I am not a fan of Guiliani by any stretch.  His time and "creativity" as a Federal Prosecutor are many of the reasons Three Felonies a Day exists. So FTP!

That said, the POTUS is well within his right to pardon him.

[neurosis]

That said, the POTUS is well within his right to pardon him.

He's well within his right to pardon any criminal he wants. Just don't try to convince me that this is the "crack down on criminals/crime" administration. He obviously doesn't care if you've committed a crime, as long as you're Trump friendly.

How many of the people he's pardoned are back in jail or dead? Or have invested heavily in his families businesses?   

[neurosis]

"At least 10 people who received pardons from Donald Trump for their roles in the January 6th insurrection have subsequently been rearrested, charged, or sentenced for new crimes. Some of these new offenses are severe, including violent crimes and drunk driving fatalities. Additionally, among recipients of Trump-era clemency more broadly, at least ten have come back into legal jeopardy, either being under investigation, newly charged, or already convicted again. There is also evidence that at least one pardoned individual has died due to subsequent criminal conduct.�

Examples of Post-Pardon Crimes or Legal Jeopardy
Emily Hernandez: After a Trump pardon for entering restricted grounds on January 6th, she was later sentenced to 10 years in prison for causing a fatal drunk driving accident.�

Daniel Ball: Pardoned for insurrection-related charges, he was soon after arrested for illegal firearm possession, which was illegal as he was a convicted felon.�

Kwame Kilpatrick: After a high-profile fraud commutation, he remains under federal investigation for unpaid restitution, putting him at renewed legal risk.�

Other insurrectionists: Additional January 6th individuals pardoned by Trump have faced charges such as plotting murder, sexual assault, and other violent crimes after their release.�

Overall Numbers and Context
Analysis shows at least 10 Trump clemency recipients faced subsequent charges, but the actual number might be somewhat higher due to incomplete public tracking of such cases.

Most prior presidential clemency grantees historically have low recidivism rates, with Trump's list showing a higher proportion of reoffenders among high-profile and insurrection-related cases.�

There is at least one recorded fatality caused by a pardoned offender (the drunk driving death).�

In summary, while the total number is likely in the low double digits, a notable and disproportionate group of Trump's pardon or commutation recipients have returned to jail for new crimes or have died due to subsequent criminal conduct.�"


"Multiple high-profile Trump pardon recipients have invested in family businesses closely associated with the Trump family, particularly in the cryptocurrency sector. Most notably, Changpeng Zhao, the founder of Binance, heavily supported and invested in World Liberty Financial, a Trump family-owned crypto venture. This business received a $2 billion investment facilitated by Binance, leading to substantial financial gains for the Trump family, which holds a major stake in the company. Other crypto entrepreneurs who received pardons, such as Justin Sun, also invested large sums into Trump's crypto projects after their legal issues were resolved.�

Key Points
Changpeng Zhao (Binance) helped grow and directly invested in World Liberty Financial, a Trump family crypto business.

At least one other pardoned crypto investor, Justin Sun, contributed tens of millions to the same venture after legal cases were dropped.�

The Trump family holds a 38% stake in World Liberty Financial's parent company, benefiting from the investments of these pardon recipients.�

These instances have prompted scrutiny and criticism concerning potential conflicts of interest and impropriety.��

The available evidence focuses on cryptocurrency and technology business investments—no clear documentation exists of similar investments in other Trump family businesses among pardon recipients."

[CNCAppsJames]

He's well within his right to pardon any criminal he wants. Just don't try to convince me that this is the "crack down on criminals/crime" administration. He obviously doesn't care if you've committed a crime, as long as you're Trump friendly.

How many of the people he's pardoned are back in jail or dead? Or have invested heavily in his families businesses? 

I'm not familiar with Guiliani's "crimes". Were they politically motivated in nature? Were they prosecuted in a TDS infected district? I personally don't know,  and I really loathe Guiliani, and the idea that he likely has been on the opposite side of malicious prosecution I find to be at least a little poetic.

If we ask the how many are back in prison or are investing in "his families' business", I'd really like to take a historical look a that because, personally, I have wondered that same question since the Clinton Administration.  Not that Bush, Reagan, and Carter were pure as the driven snow, I was 24 when Clinton was elected and that's when I started wondering those sorts of things.

Is Trump's pardoned rate of recidivism higher, lower or about the same as previous administrations? Are his pardoned donations higher, lower or about the same as previous administrations? If we're asking, we should ASK.

[Bucky Cornstarch]

DEFLECT! And use the famous "ism" response!

Jeff, knowing now, due to your built in disadvantages, that it is in poor form to point out your inability to follow a conversation, I would simply like to reference the post of yours that I quoted, which was literally you deflecting. Or, to simplify and make it a bit more visual,

DEFLECT!

Does that help?

I would like to compliment you on your apparent discovery of suffixes, in this case, "ism." Perhaps a fun exercise would be for us to use it in a sentence. Do you think you're ready for that? Why don't you try and we can all go over it together, k?

[Jeff]

Aww someone is butthurt that I used the same type of response they've been giving whenever they're confronted.

[neurosis]

I'm not familiar with Guiliani's "crimes". Were they politically motivated in nature? Were they prosecuted in a TDS infected district? I personally don't know,  and I really loathe Guiliani, and the idea that he likely has been on the opposite side of malicious prosecution I find to be at least a little poetic.

This is going to sound sorta mean toward Guiliani, but this is my opinion on his situation. After seeing some of the conspiracies he allowed himself become a part of, I'm not sure that he is smart enough not to believe some of what he was saying.

The only thing I believe he's been convicted of to date, was defamation for smearing the two Georgia election workers.  The rest of his cases are still pending. 

The search results:

"Georgia Election Interference (RICO Case)
Giuliani was indicted on 13 felony counts, including:
Violation of the Georgia Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act
Solicitation of public officers to violate their oaths
Conspiracy to commit forgery and impersonation of public officers
Making false statements to legislative bodies
These charges stem from his role in pressuring Georgia officials and promoting false electors for Trump after Biden won the state."

"Arizona Fake Electors Scheme
He was charged with fraud, forgery, and conspiracy for allegedly helping to submit a false slate of pro-Trump electors in Arizona, despite Biden's victory there."